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PLAN new ship just about to launch: 054A Frigate
YelliChink
10/6/2006 8:22:26 PM
PLAN is just about to have a new frigate launched: 054A. This one is based on 054 (PRCS Ma-Anssn) which has some stealth feature, but equiped with Russian build radars and ESM and has a vertical launched short range missile system. The air-defense system may be Chinese made HQ-16 or Russian SA-N-9. No further detail is available at the moment.
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Herald1234
Could someone describe for me why......
10/15/2006 11:11:19 PM
the PLA-N builds what it does, when;
a. It has a sea/air denial mission off the eastern coast of China of at least 700 kilometers that it has to meet to prevent the USN from clobberingn it in its bases.
b/ It has three geographically isolated seas that it has to dominate to protect Chinese coastal merchant shipping, off shore fisheries, oil tanker SLOCS coming up from the Strait of Malacca etc.
c. It has to at least pretend to attempt to penetrate what the Chinese call the first island ring to break into the Western Pacific. That ring stretches from Japan to Taiwan in an arc of islands off China's east coast and I suppose you could include the Korean peninsula as an Asian piece of that first ring.
I don't see them building a navy that makes much sense in light of a. b. or c..
I mean it has to be obvious that the PLA-Ns first objective in an anti-naval mission against the United States in supporting a PLA operation to take Taiwan is to hit GUAM and they have made very little logical effort to carry out that mission in any fashion that offers them any credible chance of success.
What would they try? Land based IRBMs? Sub-launched cruise missiles?
Long-ranged air-refuelled naval bombers?
Nothing they have built to date or would try in their current naval inventory makes any sense. It would be suicide to put to sea with what they have and they know it.
So, lets look for another explanation for their one off, two off, design and build evolutions.
What could they be trying to do?
How about a potemkim coast defense fleet? Their one offs and two offs could be nothing more than the current iteration of an evolution of the historic Chinese frigate, destroyer, submarine acquisition process. That is the Chinese steal or buy a piece of technology and they try it out and they bungle copy the execution of the evolution in their current design. Rather than build an entire class of failures, they limit the bungled experiments to one or two examples and then they try again. Meanwhile they purchase foreign (mostly Russian) systems in QUANTITY to give their forces some credible capability and deterrent value, while they build copies of the few mature Western (French) and Russian systems that they have totally reverse-engineered and understand.
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Francois
10/16/2006 2:43:58 AM
There are no evidence that chinese has the capability to rev-eng any complex system.
And from my second-hand vision (I am not directly in the field), I see many points witnessing (to not use proving) the opposite.
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Galrahn
10/16/2006 4:05:47 PM
There are no evidence that chinese has the capability to rev-eng any complex system.
And from my second-hand vision (I am not directly in the field), I see many points witnessing (to not use proving) the opposite.
Again, I would disagree, the EP-3 captured by China in 2001 is a good example of one system they appear to have reversed engineered to some degree.
The massive production of several 1 plane prototypes is decent anicdotal evidence they were able to gather useful information from the plane.
Additionally, their new Tomahawk 'type' products also tend to lean on the possibility China has reversed engineer those products as well, probably stuff fired on Iraq in the 90s that didn't detonate.
While I would wholely agree this is speculation, I'm not the only one who has speculated, as it is in some part reasonable anicdotal evidence they have made strides on their existing technologies and to some degree, many of the changes are similar to US systems China has had access to.
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Herald12345
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1/25/2008 1:24:48 AM
Welcome to1985.
Figure it out? Of course not.
Herald
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