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Subject: North Korea
jean    2/16/2003 1:58:10 PM
Today it was Kim Jong il 's birthday : i don't give a damn , he can die open mouth. But North Korea declared that they can hit and touched US targets in pacific coasts : what will the USA do , knowing that : 1) they are directly threatened and seriously 2) NK has nuclear bombs 3) 2 millions of people are dead of starvation. ( you can set free this poor people)?? 4) NK is the last stalinist communist country of the world. Why is it so urgent to bomb bagdaad where the real threat is elsewhere ? I am waiting for your obvious answers. ps: china declared that USA can manage alone to solve their problems with NK.
 
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Kalashnikov    RE:NewGuy, I would add one more choice:   4/30/2003 12:31:41 PM
Um.. That would give Jong Il more incentive to blast San Fran or L.A. with whatever nukes he has, wouldn't it?
 
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Yank2003    RE:NewGuy, I would add one more choice:   4/30/2003 12:42:39 PM
The only way you could launch an effective military strike on the DPRK with the least fallout would be a massive air bombardment of nuclear facilities and artillery near the DMZ with B-52s, B-1s, and B-2s. Problem is, the North Koreans would more than likely see this comming and launch the nukes beforehand... Its a very difficult situation. When you have a madman in office with millions of people starving, what do you do? Die now in a nuclear battle, or die later due to starvation. Like the one person said, their regeme will collapse very soon. I just wonder, should their government collapse from the inside via a coup or something, would China turn a blind eye to it knowing that a more democratic government would be even closer China?
 
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Final Historian    RE:NewGuy, I would add one more choice:   4/30/2003 1:22:41 PM
I think that Sarges plan mixed with the ability to launch a quick attack is the way to go. The DPRK is falling apart, soon they won't be able to utilize their military effectively. They need electricity to run their trains, and they don't have the power to keep it up for long. So all we have to do is wait for them to lose their rail line, and they are toast. They use rail for everything, once they lose that they will die quickly. The question is, what will the North Koreans do when they realize the end is near? Will they attack while they can? Or will they wait too long and lose the ability to launch an offensive strike? I think we should wait for them to fall apart, and if they decide to attack before they go down then hit them with a massive first strike, every stealth plane we have and as many cruise missiles as we can throw at them.
 
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EastWind_81    RE:NewGuy, I would add one more choice:   4/30/2003 5:25:27 PM
I don't think China will allow NK to deteriorate to the point where it's an easy piece of meat for the US military to feast on, so don't expect the trains to stop running without getting restarted with Chinese help. The PLA is monitoring the situation very closely. It's dangerous to gamble that China will stand idly by if its buffer is threatened with destruction. Kim appears to have made a top-secret trip to Beijing during the Iraq war to secure a pledge from Hu Jintao that China won't stand idly by should the US rattle attack. Some PLA generals have put pressure on the civilian leadership to actually send forces to NK, including anti-aircraft and anti-missile equipment, to guarantee Chinese involvement from the very start of a conflict, and there's good reason to believe they'll get their wish, because whatever their political orientation, no Chinese leader would tolerate a US military adventure in their front yard.
 
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Kalashnikov    RE:NewGuy, I would add one more choice:   4/30/2003 6:25:57 PM
This is indeed a possible (Even likely) scenario, although China may not risk open support of the DPRK. I feel that they would be more obliged to supply it covertly, sending tanks, aircraft, artillery or SAMs.
 
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Yank2003    RE:NewGuy, I would add one more choice:   4/30/2003 9:31:18 PM
I would agree as well. Theres no way that the PLA could openly support the DPRK with military aid. They'd face some sort of econimic sanctions from the US which is one of their biggest exporters. Both the PLA and the DPRK are in a no-win situation. Either go down fighting or go down starving.
 
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EastWind_81    RE:NewGuy, I would add one more choice:   4/30/2003 9:50:19 PM
This is exactly why NK is an urgent matter for the PLA hardliners. They prefer not to wait until a US attack is imminent but want forces sent in now, so they might preempt American preemption.
 
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Kalashnikov    RE:NewGuy, I would add one more choice:   5/1/2003 11:54:20 AM
Makes sense to me. I wouldn't be surprised to find Chinese tanks in there already.
 
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Final Historian    RE:NewGuy, I would add one more choice:   5/1/2003 1:36:27 PM
Yeah, the Chinese don't dare send equipment and personnel after an attack, that would really piss America off and lead to a boycott, if not blockade. But sending troops there ahead of time to "establish order" and "provide humanitarian assistance" might be enough. Might be. I don't think that China will risk fighting with the US though. We can hurt them a lot more than they can hurt us in a limited engagement, as we can effectively kill their economy. More likely the Chinese will try and support a coup in NK to get a government there that they can control and thus prevent a conflict.
 
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Kalashnikov    RE:NewGuy, I would add one more choice:   5/1/2003 1:58:52 PM
But in the case of the coup, would China be able to accept the fact of a non-Communist government in N. Korea? It may spark more cries for freedom within the PRC.
 
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