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bob    1/4/2002 6:30:57 PM
The Australians have a bit more of a problem than we do, we're 300 million americans right next to 100 million mexicans. They're 20 million Australians right next to 200 million Indonesians.
 
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[email protected]    RE:boat people...   1/5/2002 4:04:43 PM
The refugees aren't Indonesian. They're Afghan, and they're not wanted. They've been coming for some time. The Indonesians send them on to us, in unsafe boats, for dollars (bribery), and because the Indonesian government wouldn't dream of getting in the way of something Australia doesn't want. (There's no love lost there, to put it mildly.) The media are "delicate" in their reporting, but it seems like these people have been first of all economic refugees from the drug farming industry. But, they include children, so a lot of people (like me), say: "It's only hundreds of people, just accept them for pity's sake." I (and my friends) hate seeing kids in trouble, so as long as it's only hundreds, why not put compassion over logic? The government, with heavy popular support, sees it otherwise. They figure once the door is opened, we'll have Indonesia sending on to us thousands or tens of thousands of the least desirable refugees from everywhere, and unfortunately that view has some credibility. When conservatives point to the banked up supply of Muslim refugees, and Indonesia's attitude, and say "Why won't this happen?" there's a lot of liberal foot-shuffling, no meeting of eyes and no reply. Since we have no coast guard (we're not that "big" a country), this mess ties up navy resources and makes it look like overkill every time the government uses the only forces it has, which are real military ones. The 200 million to 20 million thing is very much on everyone's mind though. The Indonesian love it, and look to the future. We hate it, and look to the future. In the long run, that situation would force us to be an American ally, even if we hadn't made up our minds on that decisively and permanently in World War Two. Every little bit of Indonesian spite is a reminder why it's good to have friends who speak the same language as you do (in many senses).
 
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combat pilot    RE:boat people...   1/4/2003 10:36:36 PM
The Australians have a bit more of a problem than we do, we're 300 million americans right next to 100 million mexicans. They're 20 million Australians right next to 200 million Indonesians. ---------------------- 20 million australians right next to 200 million indonesians ??? Is it not fair to say: 60.000 aborgines next to 20 million australians, who murdered more aborigines on average then Hitler killed Jews ? Over 90 % of the aborigines were killed by the so calles Australians, while Hitler killed about 40% of the Jews here in the EU ? Give me a break, don't say that australians have any problems, they just created the problems. the Australians just should keep their big mouth shut, they killed their natives in a way,abd never condemned,so Hitler would be jealous of. Hitler couls be an Australian. Not that I think that he ever killed 6 million jews, but who cares? Ok, to be fair. I'm a Spanish F-18 pilot. We murdered a lot in Latin- America, Central-America etc, and I'm really not proud of that. But hearing tha Australians say that Indonesia is a terrorist country or what so-ever is totally wrong. It were the Australians that allowed Britain to test Nuclear weapons on aborigines ground, but when the French tested a few in 1995, they went ape. How hypocrite can you be ???
 
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duffbeer    RE:boat people...   1/4/2003 10:57:09 PM
combat pilot wrote - "Not that I think he (Hitler) ever killed six million Jews, but who cares." I've been called a Nazi on this board before, but this retard is the real deal. Australia has an imperfect past, just like America, and just like EVERY country on Earth. The average modern day Australian is no more a murderer than the average American.
 
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combat pilot    RE:boat people...   1/4/2003 11:15:24 PM
So I'm proud to be neither an american or an Australian. And NO, I'm not a nazi as you might think. combat pilot wrote - "Not that I think he (Hitler) ever killed six million Jews, but who cares."------- I think I just forgot to write: Who cares WHAT I THINK ?! And honestly,I really just doubt that 6 million ever were killed. And if it would be true, then why did the allied forces never bombed Auschwitz,bergen belsen, Treblinka, sobibor,Dachau etc? they probably didn't care . Or do they say: "Wir haben es nicht gewusst ?? Ya right
 
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duffbeer    RE:boat people...   1/4/2003 11:33:51 PM
combat pilot, I'm also proud that somebody like you isn't an American or Australian. We're better off because of it. Here in America we have a name for people who don't believe in the Holocaust. We call them Nazis.
 
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combat pilot    RE:boat people...   1/6/2003 6:14:11 AM
Here in America we have a name for people who don't believe in the Holocaust. We call them Nazis. ------------------------------------------ That's exactly simplistic American thinking, when you doubt if the holocuast ever occured, you're a nazi. So in you view: 18 % of the French, 28 % of the Austrians,10% of the Belgians and about 5 % of the Germans, and over 10% in Eastern European countries are nazi's because they doubt the holocuast ever happened ???? It was America that got segragation in a time it didn't exist in Europe anymore. And there is still segragation in your country according to housing, hardly any mixed neighbourhoods like here. It's a America where most people dislike the majority of other Americans because of their race, religion or what so ever. You agenda is dominated by religious right and the rich Jewish lobby. At your school you children have to honour the flag or what so ever. At schools the childred are being brainwashed and believe everything it's told. Here we think by ourselves and I and most others come to the conclusion that those so called concentration camps didn't even have the capability to kill so many people as is believed. I guess you,ve never been to Poland and visited Auschwitz, then you can see that there was in no way a capacity that could kill over 2 million in Auschwitz. But you,ve never been there, so keep your big mouth shut. In Europe we call nazi's people who think that the white race is superior and the rest is inferior. People who believe in every word that is written in 'mein kampf '. People who back attacks against colored people, that are the neo nazi's. So as long there is a lot more racial tension in your country then in the EU. It's your country that can be titled as a Nazi state. And I got black friends, Asian friends, white friends a wife that's half Korean half Spanish so I can nevr be a nazi, O of course, I can be seen as a nazi in that america where the people are so short-sighted ! And bush is doing exactly what Hitler did. Jews had to registrate during WWII, in the US, it's tha Arab community. Like in LA and when they did, they got busted. Hitler attacked eastern Europe because he wanted 'Lebensraum' fir the Germans. Bush wants to attack Irak for its oil. America bombed whater supply installations in Iraq during the Gulf war, so the people wpuld revolt against Saddam, they did. But the Americans just let them being slaughtered. America wanted the sanctions agains Iraq to be retained, for Israel of course and your former secretary of stae Albright who is a jew and wanted to do everything for the sake of Israel, and over a million Iraqi citizens died due to the sanctions. Only in 1998 there was a food for oil programme. So if there is currently a country that can be compared to nazi germany then it's the USA. And like i saind that i'm not a Nazi, I'm proud NOT to be an American !
 
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American Kafir    RE:boat people...   1/29/2003 8:52:53 AM
Combat Pilot, For someone who brisks at being labelled a Nazi, you sure do seem to go to great efforts to point out the presence of Jews in American government and tacitly imply that the United States is corrupted by that Jewish presence. Why is that? We forgot to liberate Spain.
 
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American Kafir    RE:boat people...   2/24/2003 8:44:01 AM
"No need to liberate Spain, Francisco Franco already did." Hopeless. It's statements like this that make violence after European soccer games less shocking.
 
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SGTObvious    Tsk, Tsk, Combat pilot!   2/27/2003 11:43:48 AM
"you Kafir should look in your own country, before critisizing Europe" Telling others what they should say? Are you Chirac? Before you have too much fun with death statistics, consider this: if you add up the Murder AND Suicide rates, the US is no longer so far out of line from Europe. In fact, the US Murder and Suicide rates TOGETHER are less than Finland's Suicide rate alone! What does this tell us: Either: 1) Europe is a miserable place where people kill themselves frequently, the only way out of their pointless existence. Or... 2) European police are inept, and classify most of the murders as suicides so as not to admit that they are unable to solve the cases. Still like statistics? Watch out for math, it comes up and knifes you in the back when you least expect it!
 
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Y. pestis    RE:Tsk, Tsk, Combat pilot!   2/27/2003 12:56:28 PM
Combat Pilot, Please note that the US 'crazy gun laws' are part of our Constitution and placed there in part to protect the citizens from its own government. Thanks to tose 'crazy gun laws' the US has never been under the boot of a dictator. Can the same be said for Spain or most of the rest of the world? It is also the very reason that, as long as the right to bear arms is not infringed, the US will never be ruled by a dictator. There is a measure of responsibility that is required with the right to bear arms, though. Those who misuse this right shold be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. There are unfortunately too many appologists for murders in the legal system. The current court system in the US seems to protect the guilty more than seek justice for the victim. It is an abuse of the concept most Americans are very proud of 'innocent until proven guilty'.
 
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