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Subject: Future War: China vs. India
Berdan    11/27/2006 3:18:53 PM
I forsee a war between China and India in the future. A former head of the World Bank (or it might have been the IMF) recently said that China and India would, before 2050, overtake the G7 in terms of GDP. And many can see that China and India will be the next world superpowers. These countries are developing and growing at a fantastic rate. There are basic, fundamental differences between India and China, in terms of Government (Democracy vs. Socialist), Ideology, and Economy (China is gearing itself towards industry, whereas India is going more toward the service sector). Both China and India are heavily armed, and updating their militaries. Both are nucleur armed nations. Both are increasing their spending on the armed forces. China has the largest military in the world, and India has the 4th largest. These issues would cause another cold war, like what was experienced between the USA and the USSR. HOWEVER, unlike the US and USSR, there is no ocean seperating China and India. They share a border! The USA and the USSR had different spheres of influence during the Cold War. The US had South America and Western Europe, and the USSR had Asia and Eastern Europe. They STILL came very, very close to war. India and China do NOT have seperate spheres of influence. They are right next to each other. They are competing for essentially the same markets. Furthermore, they have a hisory of conflict. For these reasons, I predict a war between India and China. What does everyone else think?
 
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royinroy    SHOWING EXAMPLES AND DOCCUMENTS IS OUR DISPUTES>>IT DOESNT RESOLVE THE ISUE   9/10/2010 11:54:58 AM
@kiwibird
Well said.i do not have any objection..Offcourse everyone has their own views..but i am not here to show any country as big and being daddy. i am worried about all.
The distance between india to beijing is approximately 5000km by air.ONce again i remind you all here that i am completely against any kind of war. But to put some data where everyone should know the as a majority of the people trying to show china as a huge in military or in nuclear, well let it be. BUt all should know the same way that India might have less equipments but the equipments (so called nuclear) what india got work the same way as it works for india. NUCLEAR IS NUCLEAR AND WILL ALWAYS NUCLEAR ALONG WITH ITS POWER OF DESTRUCTION.

My point is not to pinch anyone here or neither with an interest to bring up a war. What i want all to understand that both countries has super weapons so it really doesnt matter how much one has. one nuclear will destroy india and china or any other country. so its not necessery that i have to empty my pocket to grab everything. Lets assume 10 nuclear explode from both side. so now do you imagine whats gonna happen??...do anyone think rest of the nuclear one should use or not??

India as well has 5,000 km range Agni-V ICBM is expected to be tested by 2010-11. Also Indian has developed and who knows probably soon coming up with some 10,000 km range nuke missile. anyway...the effect of a nuclear is not limited within 1 km...so imagine may the nuclear explode in india border or chinese border..who do you think will escape from the heat? An indigenous nuclear tipped surface to air missile, Akash Missile is used to destroy low range missiles and is capable of destroying various targets and is one of the few of its kind systems in the world and india posses it... so dont talk about how many and what one has in their bag. 

100 nuke from india and 100 nuke from china....let them explode together...and do you think world will get over from the heat or everyone will watch a show and go back to the bed...The so called bed of death. Its not that easy to involve in war for china and india. However, yes time changes so many things and i have no offense about that but again...its not like two country gonna fight  where one exist in south pole and another in north pole. you put a step and thats china and u put a step, so thats India. 
China, yes working on its industrial sector and the very truth is most of chinese business got a branch everywhere in USA..USA can not ever start a war with china coz of the distance and for the missile range china got which even USA have but again whole asia probably will not allow US to through missiles in Asia. However for the dispute sake there are lot of things one can come out...I hate to be politician. Talking about past or getting leads or putting past-present doccuments will not resolve any issue...Lets put our wisdom to create gentlemen businees partners in between china and india agreeing and understanding and co-operating each other but not to walk in the path of WAR
 
 
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Sunil Singh    please dont fight   12/1/2010 8:14:36 AM

First of all chinese and indians are very intelligent guys and will never attack each other. Reasons are:

1) India is quarter as strong as china and to overwhelm India China will have to use half of its forces towards India.(reason india is 1trillion dollar economy and china is 4trillion$). And with half its force tied to India will give South Korea with USA a freehand in north Korea. and Japan will also make most out of the opportunity. China can't afford bigger powers near its important cities of bejing, shangahi, and others. So china is more interested in east than south-west.

2) Both chinese and indians are non martial race and have never fought in their 2500 year old history. its always muslims or christains who invaded both these countries. Gandhi knew this factor so always advocated peace and peaceful protest towards british. India China never fought in good old days in their history and were good to each other and both were ruling the world economy then. So think of india and china ganging up against imperial powers than fighting. Both our armies are for protecting their own countries than fighting each other. See we are not a fighting army but muslims are fighters so we don't recruit muslims in indian army(just for fun)because we want to keep our army for peaceful purpose.

3) the day we will fight America will celebrate as it will ensure another 100 year of their dominance. If we will fight we will bring bigger problem of America in our own backyard. America will enter Taiwan and Koreas for china. Since Pakistan will take advantage of india china  war to settle its score with India USA will attack Pakistan for Saving India and will force Saudis to stop bread and butter and oil for Pakistan. Russia will not come to help pakistan because India will stop billions of $ of arms deal. Remember Saudis had already stopped the bread and butter of Pakistan so Pakistan will not have capacity to replace Indian billion of dollars. so I see Russia as neutral or somewhat with India. So a bigger problem of USA will sit in Pakistan for India. I will always prefer stronger Pakistan than USA in neighborhood. (sounds funny but true). Bringing USA in our neighborhood will be dangerous for both China and India so I see both of them more friendly in future. Moreover we Indians have karmic connection with Buddhist Chinese so we were friendly for 2000 years. Chinese are great friends. its just that they don't show those emotions on face. I love my Chinese friends.

4)In future the country which develops ways to control fusion reaction, ways to tap solar, wind and sea waves power will win as it will not need oil. China is really superpower in wind and solar energy. So we should borrow those and develop our own fusion nuclear reactor technology where we have made some progress. Moreover China and India will also fight in space technology more as USA and USSR fought like who masters space first. Healthy competition is always good.

5) our bigger problem will be Pakistan because terrorist are not a rational and thinking force so they can bring havoc to both nations. terrorism can trouble china also so now a days china is moving away from pakistan as they can make muslims of china also like terrorists.

6) bad news for all war mongers that China and India will never fight. Just one possibility that armies of both india and china get bored and fought for some adventure and after sometime both denied with supplies come back after greeting and giving farewell to each other.

 
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Sunil Singh    please dont fight   12/1/2010 8:24:56 AM

First of all chinese and indians are very intelligent guys
and will never attack each other. Reasons are:


1) India is quarter as strong as china and to overwhelm
India China will have to use half of its forces towards India.(reason india is
1trillion dollar economy and china is 4trillion$). And with half its force tied
to India will give South Korea with USA a freehand in north Korea. and Japan
will also make most out of the opportunity. China can't afford bigger powers
near its important cities of bejing, shangahi, and others. So china is more
interested in east than south-west.


2) Both chinese and indians are non martial race and have
never fought in their 2500 year old history. its always muslims or christains
who invaded both these countries. Gandhi knew this factor so always advocated
peace and peaceful protest towards british. India China never fought in good old
days in their history and were good to each other and both were ruling the
world economy then. So think of india and china ganging up against imperial
powers than fighting. Both our armies are for protecting their own countries
than fighting each other. See we are not a fighting army but muslims are
fighters so we don't recruit muslims in indian army(just for fun)because we
want to keep our army for peaceful purpose.


3) the day we will fight America will celebrate as it will
ensure another 100 year of their dominance. If we will fight we will bring
bigger problem of America in our own backyard. America will enter Taiwan and
Koreas for china. Since Pakistan will take advantage of india china  war to settle its score with India USA will
attack Pakistan for Saving India and will force Saudis to stop bread and butter
and oil for Pakistan. Russia will not come to help pakistan because India will
stop billions of $ of arms deal. Remember Saudis had already stopped the bread
and butter of Pakistan so Pakistan will not have capacity to replace Indian
billion of dollars. so I see Russia as neutral or somewhat with India. So a
bigger problem of USA will sit in Pakistan for India. I will always prefer
stronger Pakistan than USA in neighborhood. (sounds funny but true). Bringing
USA in our neighborhood will be dangerous for both China and India so I see
both of them more friendly in future. Moreover we Indians have karmic
connection with Buddhist Chinese so we were friendly for 2000 years. Chinese
are great friends. its just that they don't show those emotions on face. I love
my Chinese friends.


4)In future the country which develops ways to control
fusion reaction, ways to tap solar, wind and sea waves power will win as it
will not need oil. China is really superpower in wind and solar energy. So we
should borrow those and develop our own fusion nuclear reactor technology where
we have made some progress. Moreover China and India will also fight in space
technology more as USA and USSR fought like who masters space first. Healthy
competition is always good.


5) our bigger problem will be Pakistan because terrorist are
not a rational and thinking force so they can bring havoc to both nations.
terrorism can trouble china also so now a days china is moving away from
pakistan as they can make muslims of china also like terrorists.


6) bad news for all war mongers that China and India will
never fight. Just one possibility that armies of both india and china get bored
and fought for some adventure and after sometime both denied with supplies come

back after greeting and giving farewell to each other.


I've nothing against USA but a hyper power like USA must be kept as far as possible. and open invitation is suicidal. USA has such a his
 
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subodh       3/12/2011 2:55:18 PM
dear topgun where r u from i don't know actually, but i know one thing that you don't have any experience not in economy and war, u are describing that India is just like african country, but u don't know the history of India how can u know cause u just think but i traveled here and know it very closer...if you are talking about future then India is the richest and strongest country in the world about 200 BC to 1100 BC just calculate these  things u can understand everything about strongness. After that Indian Kings divided into lots of parts and and after that it was the worse days for India. English Government also looted India 130 years, if it was acted in china then i think now china is just like a kenya or more affrican country. well i am not describing that the condition of India is better than China now but If you are talking about 2050 I guaranteed India will better than china.It was and it will be. Well return to main topic about cold war of India and China, I think there is two reson of cold war with India and China, first thing is that  China's socialist government is much more aggressive so it will create problems for Indian Borders and helping Pakistan. Second thing is that India is democratic country and China is socialist and the main fact of war is that system of  China is dependent on government not by their people so its natural that if you have some extra capablity then you will be aggressive.and on the last i want to say my dear friend don't flying in the imagination of airbus....u must need a real airbus for flying otherwise you know better than anybody if you have little sense. and future is only on dependent of reality not on imagination.
 
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Grimbus    To TopGun   3/30/2011 12:57:57 PM
Are you some kind of idiot? Wow. As I recall, India won all 3 wars against Pakistan. But you probably have a pakistani cock shoved so deep down your throat and a chinese dick shoved so deep up your butthole that you have a hard time thinking.
 
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lanky    Reply to topgun   4/1/2011 6:40:07 PM
Hello TopGun,
 
I believe you need to get your facts correct, How can you claim that China is leeps and bounds ahead, All the data presented is stage managed and the goovernet shows only that view which it wants to project, All those who have visited China would have realized the real divide between the have and have nots....Every one thought USSR was great we all know what happened 50 yrs later, You are talking about in 2050 India will be what china is in 1980 , Atleast India will exist ;)...
 
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johnboy       5/5/2011 11:12:18 AM
On this subject, I just started a new website: China vs. India Military Match-Ups.
 
Enjoy!
 
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ace009    No future war, but Skirmishes   6/8/2011 5:47:01 PM
I agree with the posters who think that India and China will have future skirmishes, but no real war. Reason is simple, neither side has overwhelming military advantage in the terrains they will face-off, or the need for a long drawn out war.
Whether it is the high mountains of the Himalayas or the open Indo-Pacific oceans, neither side has the ability to go for a sustained campaign to destroy the other side. Surely the Chinese are ahead in military might in terms of both quantity and variety, but with open access to western technology India has a distinct qualitative advantage. All of this will become more apparent in the next 30-40 years. Chinese armies will become stronger compared to the Indian millitary both in numbers as well as the variety of equipment they use, while India will consolidate qualitatively with both western bought and home-made equipment. For both sides, warfare will be an attrition game, where the Chinese might win with sheer number (3 times compared to India), but the heavy price it has to pay due to the better equipments on the Indian side will make China open to threats from the east and south. For India, it will be a sheer disaster in the long run and will open them up to threats from Pakistan.
Neither side will like to wage open destructive war on each other since the existence of India to China and of China to India is the source of a huge market. Even with half the population of each country reaching a "middle class" economic status means half a Billion consumer market - that's larger than Europe or USA in sheer number and maybe about as big as either of those markets by 2050. 

However, skirmishes in the Himalayas both in the Eastern part and in the oceans are a certainty in the next 30-40 years. How many and how severe will be determined by the competition for resources, USA policies and other geopolitical concerns.
 
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ali_j    War: China vs. India   2/1/2012 7:03:35 PM

First of all India and Pakistan had been at war 4.5 times; people usually forget the 1948 war between the nations which resulted in freedom of about half of Kashmir region; the war was ceased after intervention of UN; India has still not worked on the resolution passed in UN at that time.

In 1965 India was once again quashed by Pakistan; Pakistan won total air superiority over India.

In 1971 Pakistan lost due to political anarchy.

In 1983 India took Siachin from Pakistan; General Zia: the Marshal Law administrator at that time let India take that region with minimum defense; he wanted India to waste its resources there and it was not a bad choice at that time as we all know that Siachin is nothing but Glaciers;  it don't have a real strategic value.

Kargil was a misadventure of the army's superiors; whose main point was to destabilize the democratic government; however India came to Pakistan with full might on that one; if Pakistan hadn't ceased fire, India was in real trouble as its troop in Siachin area were cutoff, they would have surrendered or died due to shortage of supplies. Every little supply is a matter of  life and death due to the harsh terrain and weather in Siachin.

It is very relevant to talk about Kashmir; more than half of Indian army is there to suppress the freedom movement, the mujahidin were in control of about a quarter of that land before the kargil war and still pose a good threat to India.

Now coming back to the possible China-India  war scenario; which I believe is imminent due to the simple logic that no two super power can coexist in the same region; and when they share a border they are bound to destroy each other.

Scenario "Some Tibetans run away from China into Indian occupied land; Indian forces provide them shelter; Chinese forces cross the border to take them back. India refuses, tensions grows between the two of them; other factors remain constant(America cannot jump in as it is already shattered by the Afghan retreat and there could have been a failed Iran misadventure in between and Russia would not interfere as it also wants both  nations to shed some power), China signal's Pakistan, Pakistani Army along with the mujahidin engages India in Kashmir; a lot of mujahidin  actually crosses the border and into Kashmir; some of them actually make it to Baglihar dam and bomb it; India has to attack Pakistan now; it has to defend  the 0.65 million troops it has got there .i.e half of its total strength , while Pakistan and India are engaged in war china crosses into Indian land takes the disputed land and some more. India by now is strangled in war with two nations at multiple fronts and not only its .65 million troops are surrounded in kashmir but also the inland  Communist of UP etc have started an active war for freedom. Result: Destruction of India.

Note: Indian army chief openly admitted that they are preparing for a two front or multi directional war.

 

 

 

 
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Abeyabeya       6/6/2013 5:17:37 PM
War between India and China if fought will be at what cost. Both the countries will be drained economically, and will be completely devastated. If Pakistan tries to pitch in, and open the Western frontier, Pakistan will be wiped off from the face of earth. India with its long standing enemity with Pakistan will settle its score with Pakistan first, so as to rest the problem from the Pakistani front.
Most of India's cities and China's cities will be annihilated due to the nuclear bombings. Who know by then India even develops a Nuclear Fusion Bomb, and then the scale of devastation will be unimaginable. Pakistan will be no more on the map of the World.
India will take another 50 Years to be where it was when the war started, and who knows India turns out to be a more stronger nation, next time taking on China! 
One thing is sure, India is not be the one who will pull the trigger, whether it be for the war or the nukes! 
 
 
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