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Subject: Should India match its defence spending to that of China?
tigerscratch    4/16/2006 9:45:16 AM
India's defence spanding is a small fraction of what China spends on its gigantic military. Granted that China is building an armed force that is far more than what it would require to defend itself from foreign aggression, India should be very worried. Is it worth for India to hike its defence spending to compete with China? Is it just worth it, or is it necessary for India's survival and the survival of the free world?
 
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Jawan    RE:Should India match its defence spending to that of China?--to yakeepi   4/17/2006 11:27:16 PM
"""You're kidding. In all area, India is behind China in generations. Space, Navy, Airforce, Army and nuclear, just name them.""" LOL, Generations!!!! Bloody HELL. First of all, there is nothing called "CHINESE TECH". Everything u make in Space, Navy, Airforce, Army, Nuclear et all is all copied or stoled designs, eqipments et all. Understood. Secondly, On what basis do u claim to be generations ahead of India????? U make copies of a russian fighter, tank, ship, etc. and pass it off as your own. U commies dont have any basic "indegenous technology" to claim as your own. The ancient Chinese invented a whole lot of more than u bunch of commies!! Make something original and then talk about comparison with India. Till then sell cheap goods made in sweat shops all over China and keep claiming being a Economic Power. THe world laughs at CHina's technology. That is the reason why u have such a large PLA coz with COPIED 60s technology u can do only so much !!!
 
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eggfooyoung    RE:Should India match its defence spending to that of China?--to yakeepi   4/17/2006 11:27:59 PM
the moment you posted that ignominable reply i knew you werent chinese.chinese can never be so stupid and ignorant as you.you are just another brain-fu***d paki.pity you.
 
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yakeepi    RE:Should India match its defence spending to that of China?--to yakeepi   4/17/2006 11:32:08 PM
I will say generations for sure. India failed H-bomb test 1998 which China had succeeded it in 1967, more than 40 years before. That reflects the technology gap.
 
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Jawan    RE:Should India match its defence spending to that of China?--to yakeepi   4/17/2006 11:40:58 PM
""I will say generations for sure. India failed H-bomb test 1998 which China had succeeded it in 1967, more than 40 years before. It does not reflect the technology gap, rather it proves how good ur stealing "technology is. U tested a stolen and then copied russian design and claimed it as your own. That is what china does in terms of technology and nothing more. For ur information only, H-bomb test in 1998 succeeded. May be u r getting ur info from PAKi sources, but the fact remains the tests in 1998 were overwhelming success and now India has the technology to lab test its nuc weapons.
 
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Nanheyangrouchuan    RE:Will attempt to be fair   4/17/2006 11:42:43 PM
It would probably be in India's best interest to get the manufacturing and infrastructure rolling, then the money for defense will roll in. India doesn't need to match China's tech ship for ship, tank for tank or man for man. They can play the same game that China plays with the US. Focus military R&D, production on training on the opposition's weaknesses to create a potentially very painful situation for the aggressor. Thus, the military/industrial complex has a streamlined, focused purpose instead of simply going on wild shopping sprees and trying to do everything at once. India's pace of military advances will quicken enough in the next 10 years to give China real pause for concern. Russia, Japan, Oz and the US are keenly interested in seeing India's military and economy develop enough not as direct opposition to China but as a counterbalance to China's weight. At that point there is no need for a shooting war when you have two nuclear armed giants side by side in competition.
 
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yakeepi    RE:Should India match its defence spending to that of China?--to yakeepi   4/17/2006 11:46:48 PM
>>For ur information only, H-bomb test in 1998 succeeded.<< Another Indian definition? A 50k yield bomb is not called H-bomb. The problem with Indian is that you listen too much either to Russian or Westerns, and neither will give you real technologies. So forget compare with other people, perform a real self-estimate and do things step by step. I predict in 15 years, there will be a even bigger gap btwn China and India, at that time you won't even want to compare.
 
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mithradates    Some thoughts on reverse engineering   4/17/2006 11:51:58 PM
There is nothing wrong with reverse engineering Western technology. There is no point in us re-inventing the wheel. No civilization has ever advanced without borrowing/buying/stealing tech from another, that is simply a fact of life. But the more important point is that modern military technology is difficult to reverse engineer. Try reverse engineering a nuclear submarine or a modern jet-engine, not an easy task. In fact it doesnt even matter if the principles are understood. Most times, the nation trying to reverse engineer a weapon doesn't even have the technology to create the technology to build the weapon. One very good example would be land attack cruise missiles. The guts of a LACM is a light jet engine coupled with effectively a miniaturized supercomputer. Just to build the guidance system(the supercomputer) requires advanced capabilities in silicon wafer production, electronic miniaturization and system integration. For a country like China, it wasn't that engineers couldn't understand how an LACM worked, it's that we needed to develop the Wafer fabs just to create the supercomputers to make the missile, and that took a decade. To give an example of where India is militarily, does India possess large scale silicon chip foundaries? Or is India capable of mass producing modern carbon composites, alloys, rare earth components. We're not even talking about subsystems of modern weapons here, we're merely talking about the COMPONENTS to which subsystems of modern weapons are composed of. And quite frankly, India lacks a lot of capabilities in this area. So before you guys critisize, consider this. India has had access to more advanced weapons than China for decades, yet the underlying technology of many of these weapons are as yet not fully understood by Indian engineers and manufacturers.
 
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eggfooyoung    RE:Some thoughts on reverse engineering   4/17/2006 11:56:40 PM
as you put it" theres no use in re inventing the wheel when theres one that can be bought"
 
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mithradates    RE:Some thoughts on reverse engineering....cost differential   4/18/2006 12:03:06 AM
Yes, you can buy that wheel...but at what cost? If you can build a wheel yourself for $1 why would you buy it for $10? By the same token, why would you want to spend $50 million dollars on an F-16, when you can spend $10 on a roughly equivelent FC-1? Moreover, what if the supplier is not willing to sell? Would you risk the security of your nation on the good graces of foreign arms dealers? I do see a significant gap between the militaries of India and China across the board. I'm trying to be as fair as possible, but a gap of approximately 1 generation across most military systems seems to exist currently.
 
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eggfooyoung    RE:Should India match its defence spending to that of China?--to yakeepi   4/18/2006 12:05:35 AM
So forget compare with other people, perform a real self-estimate and do things step by step. I predict in 15 years, there will be a even bigger gap btwn China and India, at that time you won't even want to compare._____>>> how i envy my chinese friends.hope u guys are enjoying the BJ's u get on this forum from yakeepi and his mullah betheren.but seriously when the chinese dump you,like the americans did,whose are you gonna suck?afghanistans?lol!!:-))
 
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