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Subject: India vs Great Pakistan
TheOne    10/16/2005 11:18:41 AM
Pakistan--------------------India $2.7 Billion (Yearly Military Expense) $14,018.8 Million 3.9% (% of GNP) 2.4% 17 (Min. Enlist Age) 17 39,793,586 (Available Manpower) 293,677,117 550,000 (Active Military) 1,100,000 400,000 (Frontline Personnel) 800,000 1,012 ( Aircraft) 3,382 3,445 (Armor) 5,112 3,952 (Artillery) 7,169 2,100 (Missile Defense) 7,400 3,025 (Infantry Support) 7,100 And still Pakistan defeated them in 1948, 1965 and Kargil war. I know Indian will start to defend the defeat in above mentioned wars therefore I explain the victory of Pakistan below. 1948 War…Pakistan freed one- third (1/3) Kashmir in 1948 war known as AZAD |KASHMIR which clearly shows that Pakistan won against India. 1965 War…I personally believe that Pakistan won the 1965 war as India invaded war against Pakistan and Pakistan army successfully defend their country. For instant if I accept the Indian claim that 1965 war was a level war, no one win no one lose than I am afraid Pakistan won the war as they fight with 10 time bigger country/army. Kargil War… I can’t stop my laugh when Indians say that they won the Kargil War. Whole world knows that how Pakistan army slaughtered Indian army. Just consider some of the following facts;- Pakistan army was much less in numbers in Kargil war we can explain it in ratio as 1:30 (one man of Pakistan army and 30 men of Indian army) Pakistan didn’t put enough army because they tried to show them as kashmiri mujahidin . Pakistan army only used guns against India (they were not able to use air force, tanks and missile etc as they showed their army as kashmiri mujahidin) and as we all know in response Indian army used air force, tanks, chemical weapon etc and still they can’t beat Pakistan army. Pakistan shot down two of their fighter aircraft and destroyed two weapon stores, number of tanks and countless army members. Might be Indian remember when government decided to celebrate Kargil war anniversary and opposition criticized them by saying ‘you want to celebrate your defeate?’ Indian should be thankful to their DAD Bil Clinton who saved them otherwise???? You know better… One more thing whenever Pakistan fight against India Pakistan fight on his own but Indian fight with the help of their DAD America and granddad Israel. Indian can only win in propaganda war by the help of their DAD and granddad. please don’t call American and Israel link as natural link because DAD always do favor to son
 
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Kashif1987    EYE Listen!!   11/22/2008 10:19:47 PM
I hope if u reply this question.. You ENDS With Discussions:
 
Who is Pakistani?
Who is Indian?
 
Who is Hindu?
Who is Muslim?
 
Who Is Human?
Who is Animal?
 
The conditions Applies ON NEXT same sequences: 
Indian Can't be Pakistani
Hindu Can't be Muslim
Human Can't be Animal
 
Sow First of All Remove thinking of: Hindu Can be a Pakistani or Muslim can be a Indian.

Who we were Before 1947?   we were ONE ... you know who seems to be a big idiot? i tell you

A Man Who Lives A Whole Life With Parents, And When Marry's Through Them OUT!!

Sow? It clearly means The war is not the solution after our Seperation. RIGHT ?
 
Sow why the hell just talking about WARS, and our stupidness ?  

I can Tell you Thousands or Countless beutifull things from Pakistan & India!
due to this Do You think that the Hate is coming more or the Love?

Who ever is strong or who ever wins the war? he is Powerfull right?
Who is Powerfull then? Say me truth?
Russia, America, China, Israel, India or Pakistan?
have u ever listened to childeren of 10 tot 15 years the next Questions?
 
Eye i am the president, or you are the president?
EYE i am strong then u man!
Eye i have 5 hockeysticks to fight and u have about 6. :P sow we are strong ...
 
MAN Who is strong? Just look at ur Age and ur thinking Level u ALL!!
 
Thing BIG! THINK we are ONE but just seperated due to our religion, actually religion also only tells us about LOVE!!!!
 
Who don't want to LOVE? Muslim, or Hindu or Christain or any other? If they Don't want Peace Then They Are Animals,
 
And Animals never have any Country! or Religion! .. Don't we have them enough in our country's?
 
"Corruption", "Politics",  "Rapes", "Selling for SEX", "Killling Innocent".
 
After saying yess on this answer? think on what were talking on !! First Clear ur MIND, THen Heart, Then Ur Physical, Moral and Spiritual Quelitiy's, before talking!....

Sow What can i Conclude is?
Both Pakistani's and Indians who replied above are BAD!! Because even hindisme does noet tells this and even Islam does not tells this!! So Blame ur self on ur illness and ur Angerness and ur Junoon that u feel to be proud on ur Country !!
 
PRoud should be there, but not in the meaning of that u become a Dog if a Dog barks on u..
 
I Love Pakistani's and Indians.... but in real i am a Pakistani ... i told this because i am happy that this is seperate.. Otherways i would everywere hear only this type of discussions!! that that muslim killed that hindu, and that hindu killed that muslim..
 
Now it is maybe still there, but i hope u found the answer why its still there..People like u love to talk about Agression and who is Powerfull etcetra.. thats why!! sow enjoy like this, or Change a peace of it into LOVE..
 
If u love War, Then Fight, Fight Against: "Politics", "Your Own".,,
 
Because We 2 Desi's Are The Best Intelligent People on Earth!!! Only we still not proven it!! otherways u would never think so BIG about America, Russia, Japan, China etcetra ... ...
 
ok TOO LONG :P
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Iloveindia    Kick your pakistani ass bastards....   12/2/2008 7:50:15 AM
You mother fuckers killing so many innocent people by spreading terrorism having no guts to face Indian power. It sounds so funny how you bastards can speak about like this.
 
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kd       12/19/2008 8:56:49 PM

Renegade, can you please explain to me waht happened during the battle of longewala? Where 120 odd Indian Hindu soldiers defeated 3000 Muslim warriors who were bacekd by 60 tanks and hundreds of other vehicles? How come, in the end, no Indian soldiers died, but hundreds of Muslim warriors were killed and over 50 tanks were destroyed? It seems like your "1 Muslim = 10 Hindus" logic backfired...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Longewala" target=_blank>link


hello INDIANRAJ  u r mistaken they r not HINDU soldiers they r all indian.The Battle of Longewala was depicted in the 1997 Hindi film Border, which was directed by J.P. Dutta and starred Sunny Deol as the Sikh Major Chandpuri, Jackie Shroff as the Wing Commander M.SINGH. Bawa, Sunil Shetty as the Rajput Border Security Force Captain Bhairon Singh .MOSTLY OF ALL SIKHS .BUT THEY R ALL INDIAN .. U GO THE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Longewala   and u will know all about  battle of longewala ...
 
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kd       12/21/2008 4:31:52 AM
INDIA vs PAKISTAN: AN ANALYSIS OF WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THEY WENT TO WAR (AND WHO WOULD WIN).

Posted on 05/22/2002 12:59:39 PM PDT by spetznaz

Scenario

India has launched a pre-emptive strike on Pakistan in an attempt to eliminate it's nuclear weapons capability and as a military threat in the near future.

ANALYSIS -- Air Battle

Initial strike carried out by Indian Sukhoi 33s/30s, Harriers, MiG-27's, MiG-23's, MiG-21's and Jaguar's on forward Pakistani command posts, airfields, weapon storage facilities (namely nuclear weapons and IRBM) and communication relay stations escorted by MiG 29's, MiG-23's, Mirage 2000 and MiG 21-93's. While the Indian Naval Harriers and attack craft attack the port of Karachi in an attempt to close it to keep reinforcements from sympathetic Islamic countries coming in via sea.

In such a situation the Pakistani Air Force would have a major problem securing their airspace mainly due to the fact that their aircraft lack any real BVR (beyond visual range) capability or look-down shoot-down capability with only their F-16's having a look-down shoot-down capability but limited to only AIM-9 Sidewinders (Note:- although Pakistan is thought to have up to 500 AIM-7 Sparrows the only F-16A's capable of firing them are the F-16A Block 15 ADF used by the USAF). While their Mirage III's , V's , F-7's (MiG-21) and F-6's (MiG-19) have no look-down shoot-down capability and no BVR capability (Note:- some F-7's and Mirage III/V are to be upgraded, this will include new radar's and other avionics). While this gap may be filled in the near future through the FC-1 fighter while this would the PAF a look-down shoot-down capability that it presently lacks it would not be superior to the MiG-29, Mirage 2000 or the LCA. Thus at present this means that if Indian attack aircraft come in at low level Pakistani aircraft would have difficulty in detecting IAF aircraft and have no capability of engaging them at long range. While the Indian escort aircraft having a BVR capability with weapons including AA-10 Alamo's , AA-12 Adders and Super 530D AAM's would have the capability to engage PAF aircraft at medium/long range allowing IAF attack aircraft to operate under an umbrella of air cover, thus giving the IAF effective air superiority over much of the battle field. ( There have also been reports that the IAF have treated their front line aircraft such as the Jaguar, MiG-29, MiG-27 and Mirage 2000 with a stealth material said to reduce the RCS of aircraft by up to 70% and increases weight by up to 50kg, Aircraft & Aerospace Asia-Pacific, Feb. 1996 pg.20). Without a BVR capability Pakistan has to rely on a SAM system based primarily on short range SAM's like the Crotale and man portable SAM's like the Stinger and indigenous Anza, here to Pakistan lacks the modern SAM system that most armies now have. While the IAF will sustain losses to SAM's without a medium range, low-medium altitude SAM Pakistan will suffer serious losses to Indian deep strike missions.

Another weakness of the PAF is their apparent lack of dedicated attack aircraft with the Q-5 Fantan being their only dedicated strike aircraft , with the F-6's (MiG-19's) and Mirage III / V having to double as point defence fighters or interceptors. Secondly none of these aircraft have the capability to deliver PGM's only 'dumb' bomb's. The best strike aircraft possessed by the PAF is the F-16 but it is unlikely that Pakistan would use it's only advanced fighter in a strike role (Note: some reports suggest that Pakistan may have acquired PGM's from Denel). This limits the ability of the PAF to strike deep into India or hit targets with any great precision. This has been recognized by the Pakistani Government which attempted to fill the hole with attempted procurements of both the Su-27 and the Mirage 2000. Both procurement programs were abandoned after the respective companies pulled out after pressure by India as both companies are lobbying for a multi billion dollar training aircraft contract for the IAF and due to spiralling costs. Most recently the PAF has become involved in the FC-1 program , an aircraft which would be powered by the RD-93 , be equipped with an advanced look down - shoot down radar and have a g-limit of + 8g's (possibly 9+ for the PAF). In comparison the IAF recently acquired a PGM capability with the acquisition of the Rafael Litening laser designation pod for it's Jaguar's and Mirage 2000. While it is investigating the possibility of upgrading it's MiG-27 attack aircraft.

The IAF's superiority in aircraft with 135 modern

 
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metal       12/21/2008 7:18:39 PM
I am bored of this bs,,,,

Will someone from the website kick these useless pakistanis out.... they are spoiling the site...
i was expecting some information on wepons and wars here... not pakistanis bitching about history...
 
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chandan       12/22/2008 5:05:25 AM
Thats reaaly true
You calling America dad , yes she really is . But not of India but of Pakistan.
If you don't Believe it then see which country has got U.S made planes in her Airforce. And which country has been forced to make its country surrender her territorial air bases to U.S Air Force ???
If you want to know it reaaly then ask your government what American marines are doning in Abbotabad air base ? Killing the very militias trained by the Pakistan forces and the ISI . And not just those are foriegn militias, but her own citizens of Kabaili areas , Doesn't these areas belong to Pakistan, or the peoples f those areas ?
And as far as the victories of past are concerned , if you really want to know who won those wars then come to Indian cantonnements whare your very own armoury is on display .
 
As far the mujahideens are concerned , they were military regulars of the Pakistani Northern Light Infantry , who were on official duty at Kargil but were rendered to die by her own forces and their Generals who later became the heads of the Pakistan...... may God bless the democracy with no publically elected government completing her given tanures
 
Whether its 1948, or 1965, or 1971 or Siachin or Kargill , Pakistan has ever lost to its Indian counterparts not just on militaric grounds but also on humanitarian grounds of her own people , thats the only truth Pakistan must understand to defend herself and her citizens .
 
Even you should not be favouring the government or the army that refuses to accept the dead bodies of her own regular solders . Believe me you can never trust a government with such opportunist behaviours
 
Go ahead,  love your Pakistan - THE COUNTRY WITH NO STATE HEROES
with these truths
stay happy forever that you won just one war , THE SELF- CONCEPTION BELIEF THAT YOU WERE VICTORS.
 
With love From Great India
Chandandeep singh
 
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HERALD1357       12/22/2008 7:33:50 PM


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Let's see my friend.. Hindu gods might be asses to you but what great is Islam in that perspective? Jihad, let's kill the world and we'll go to heaven.... no i don't think so. Religion's a philosophy and i can't believe some bastards are using that as something to kill others and in arguments like these. I'm an Indian... I'm proud of it. Oh, i forgot to mention: I'M ALSO A MUSLIM buddy :) And in my India, we are all equals...A.P.G Abdul Kalam was just the president of India being Muslim.... with a country of 80% of the population being Hindu. unlike your paki stan. India is diverse... admit it, because i'm a muslim and i'm still Indian... i will die for my country. You have no right to make fun of another religion as i have to admit not everything in Islam is correct and is also ridiculous.

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Don't die for your country. LIVE for it. Rational men are very rare; a precious commodity to be carefully preserved in a world full of crazies and haters.
 
Herald
 

 
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yogithe gr8    hello to paki boy   12/22/2008 11:19:05 PM
 
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yogithe gr8    hello to paki boy   12/22/2008 11:20:28 PM
 
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yogithe gr8    hi   12/22/2008 11:21:54 PM
 
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