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Subject: India vs Great Pakistan
TheOne    10/16/2005 11:18:41 AM
Pakistan--------------------India $2.7 Billion (Yearly Military Expense) $14,018.8 Million 3.9% (% of GNP) 2.4% 17 (Min. Enlist Age) 17 39,793,586 (Available Manpower) 293,677,117 550,000 (Active Military) 1,100,000 400,000 (Frontline Personnel) 800,000 1,012 ( Aircraft) 3,382 3,445 (Armor) 5,112 3,952 (Artillery) 7,169 2,100 (Missile Defense) 7,400 3,025 (Infantry Support) 7,100 And still Pakistan defeated them in 1948, 1965 and Kargil war. I know Indian will start to defend the defeat in above mentioned wars therefore I explain the victory of Pakistan below. 1948 War…Pakistan freed one- third (1/3) Kashmir in 1948 war known as AZAD |KASHMIR which clearly shows that Pakistan won against India. 1965 War…I personally believe that Pakistan won the 1965 war as India invaded war against Pakistan and Pakistan army successfully defend their country. For instant if I accept the Indian claim that 1965 war was a level war, no one win no one lose than I am afraid Pakistan won the war as they fight with 10 time bigger country/army. Kargil War… I can’t stop my laugh when Indians say that they won the Kargil War. Whole world knows that how Pakistan army slaughtered Indian army. Just consider some of the following facts;- Pakistan army was much less in numbers in Kargil war we can explain it in ratio as 1:30 (one man of Pakistan army and 30 men of Indian army) Pakistan didn’t put enough army because they tried to show them as kashmiri mujahidin . Pakistan army only used guns against India (they were not able to use air force, tanks and missile etc as they showed their army as kashmiri mujahidin) and as we all know in response Indian army used air force, tanks, chemical weapon etc and still they can’t beat Pakistan army. Pakistan shot down two of their fighter aircraft and destroyed two weapon stores, number of tanks and countless army members. Might be Indian remember when government decided to celebrate Kargil war anniversary and opposition criticized them by saying ‘you want to celebrate your defeate?’ Indian should be thankful to their DAD Bil Clinton who saved them otherwise???? You know better… One more thing whenever Pakistan fight against India Pakistan fight on his own but Indian fight with the help of their DAD America and granddad Israel. Indian can only win in propaganda war by the help of their DAD and granddad. please don’t call American and Israel link as natural link because DAD always do favor to son
 
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Bharatveer    Pakistan lost big time   12/16/2006 3:05:46 AM

Errata to previous post

India definitely won the Kargil War and crushed the terrorist Islamofascist savage-state of Pakistan.

Proof from Pakistani sources:

The war devastated Pakistan's economy:



http://bcsia.ksg.harvard.edu/publication.cfm?program=STPP&ctype=article&item_id=438</a>;" target="_blank">link http://www.salon.com/news/feature/1999/10/13/reacts/print.html</a>;" target="_blank">link


The morale and credibility of Pakistan Army was gone. http://bcsia.ksg.harvard.edu/publication.cfm?ctype=article&item_id=39</a>;" target="_blank">link Riots ensued in Pakistan over their defeat http://www.warbirds.in/downloads/HeraldKargil.pdf</a>;" target="_blank">link In fact Musharraf had advised against Kargil: http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_2-7-2003_pg7_19</a>;" target="_blank">link Knowing full well that they'd be defeated.


 Benazir Bhutto called Kargil Pakistan' biggest blunder. See: http://www.ipcs.org/PakMedia05-UAug04.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ipcs.org/PakMedia05-UAug04.pdf</a></p>;" target="_blank">link

Pakistani media lambasted the defeat of their own military


http://www.dawn.com/weekly/ayaz/990709.htm</a></p>;" target="_blank">link
In contrast, India's stock market rose after the war,  the BJP got massive popularity, Indian media covered the war beautifully, and global support for India rose. America, Israel and India are strong allies now, and everybody knows the truth about Pakistan, a state populated by backward and uncivilized rejects from India who are only interested in terrorism, murder, the propagation of hate through Deobandi Muslim madrassas and the promulgation of genocide and slaughter.



http://www.time.com/time/asia/magazine/2000/0410/india.kargil.html<br><br>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/381006.stm<br>http://www.rediff.com/news/2001/dec/12cag1.htm<br><br><br>India's" target="_blank">link

India's military budget skyrocketed, and India wound up with one of the largest
armies in the world. India definitely won the war in all aspects. India
also won the 1971 war with Pakistan, with about 1 lakh surrenders from
Pakistan army, and the other wars were a strategic victory for India
(if not a tactical one).

India is superior to Pakistan in every aspect imaginable. Better economy, higher GDP, higher human development indexmore stable politics (Pakistan has massive insurgency in Balochistan (nearly 1/4th of Pakistan), insurgencies in India have been small scale and quickly crushed except Kashmir, a tiny corner of India). Pakistan is an islamofascist state and is currently ranked 9th by the US congress as a failed state (Sudan is first, India is 97th or something, lower ie better than Honduras or even Mexico), India is multicultural, Pakistan is islamofascist, Pakistan breeds the worlds most terrorists, every Muslim terrorist has received training in Pakistan at some time or another. Pakistan is populated by racists. Punjab is dominated by Punjabi ethnocentrists, Sind by Sindhi ethnocentrists. Pakistan is violent.Pakistanis have lower average IQ's than Indians do. Pakistanis have more backward people per total population than India does (NWFP Pukhtun etc.), Pakistan has more desperation than India does, Pakistan is an antisemitic country with Jew-bashing conspiracy theories sold in every street corner in Lahore (Protocols of Zion etc.), Pakistanis murder Christians, Hindus, Jews and Zoroastrians every day. Christians in Pakistan live in mortal fear all the time.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/rt_pakis.htm<br><br>http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=7248<br>http://www.domini.org/openbook/pak20020925.htm<br>http://www.missio-aachen.de/menschen-kulturen/nachrichten/Sangla_Hill_attack_continues_to_draw_condemnation.asp<br>http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=4928<br>http://www.christianresponse.org/articles/291/cartoon-protestors-in-pakistan-target-christians<br>http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51859<br>http://www.pakistanchristianpost.com/newsviewsdetails.php?newsid=578<br><br>Persecution" target="_blank">link of Hindus in Pakistan
http://www.rediff.com/news/2003/nov/07pak.htm<br>http://www.hindu.com/2005/09/23/stories/2005092314831800.htm<br><br>Pakistan" target="_blank">link committed genocide of more tha

 
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Bharatveer    Pakistan lost big time:Dang this website is messed up   12/16/2006 3:09:31 AM

Dang this website is messed up. Hope the links I cited work now...
Errata:

India definitely won the Kargil War and crushed the terrorist Islamofascist savage-state of Pakistan.

Proof from Pakistani sources:

The war devastated Pakistan's economy:



http://bcsia.ksg.harvard.edu/publication.cfm?program=STPP&ctype=article&item_id=438" rel="nofollow">link http://www.salon.com/news/feature/1999/10/13/reacts/print.html" rel="nofollow">link The morale and credibility of Pakistan Army was gone. http://bcsia.ksg.harvard.edu/publication.cfm?ctype=article&item_id=39" rel="nofollow">link Riots ensued in Pakistan over their defeat http://www.warbirds.in/downloads/HeraldKargil.pdf" rel="nofollow">link In fact Musharraf had advised against Kargil: http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_2-7-2003_pg7_19" rel="nofollow">link Knowing full well that they'd be defeated.


 Benazir Bhutto called Kargil Pakistan' biggest blunder. See: http://www.ipcs.org/PakMedia05-UAug04.pdf" rel="nofollow">link

Pakistani media lambasted the defeat of their own military


link
In contrast, India's stock market rose after the war,  the BJP got massive popularity, Indian media covered the war beautifully, and global support for India rose. America, Israel and India are strong allies now, and everybody knows the truth about Pakistan, a state populated by backward and uncivilized rejects from India who are only interested in terrorism, murder, the propagation of hate through Deobandi Muslim madrassas and the promulgation of genocide and slaughter.

India's effective victory

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/381006.stm<br>http://www.rediff.com/news/2001/dec/12cag1.htm<br><br><br>India's" target="_blank">link
military budget skyrocketed, and India wound up with one of the largest
armies in the world. India definitely won the war in all aspects. India
also won the 1971 war with Pakistan, with about 1 lakh surrenders from
Pakistan army, and the other wars were a strategic victory for India
(if not a tactical one).

India is superior to Pakistan in every aspect imaginable. Better economy, higher GDP, higher human development indexmore stable politics (Pakistan has massive insurgency in Balochistan (nearly 1/4th of Pakistan), insurgencies in India have been small scale and quickly crushed except Kashmir, a tiny corner of India). Pakistan is an islamofascist state and is currently ranked 9th by the US congress as a failed state (Sudan is first, India is 97th or something, lower ie better than Honduras or even Mexico), India is multicultural, Pakistan is islamofascist, Pakistan breeds the worlds most terrorists, every Muslim terrorist has received training in Pakistan at some time or another. Pakistan is populated by racists. Punjab is dominated by Punjabi ethnocentrists, Sind by Sindhi ethnocentrists. Pakistan is violent.Pakistanis have lower average IQ's than Indians do. Pakistanis have more backward people per total population than India does (NWFP Pukhtun etc.), Pakistan has more desperation than India does, Pakistan is an antisemitic country with Jew-bashing conspiracy theories sold in every street corner in Lahore (Protocols of Zion etc.), Pakistanis murder Christians, Hindus, Jews and Zoroastri

 
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Bharatveer    Pakistan lost big time:Dang this website is messed up   12/16/2006 3:26:58 AM

References from post above
*http://www.ccc.nps.navy.mil/research/kargil/war_in_kargil.pdf*

*http://www.ppp.org.pk/articles/article47.htm*
*http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1056536*
*http://www.dawn.com/weekly/ayaz/990709.htm*
*http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_19-7-2004_pg3_1

Riots in Pakistan over their dramatic loss:

*http://www.warbirds.in/downloads/HeraldKargil.pdf*
*http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/aug1999/pak-a07.shtml*


India's rise:
*http://www.time.com/time/asia/magazine/2000/0410/india.kargil.html*
*http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/381006.stm*


Pakistani anti-semites scared that India-Israel alliance is growing:
*http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_30-7-2002_pg7_37*
*http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3088780.stm*

Persecution of Christians in Pakistan:


*http://www.religioustolerance.org/rt_pakis.htm*
*http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=7248*
*http://www.domini.org/openbook/pak20020925.htm*
*http://www.missio-aachen.de/menschen-kulturen/nachrichten/Sangla_Hill_attack_continues_to_draw_condemnation.asp*
*http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=4928*
*http://www.christianresponse.org/articles/291/cartoon-protestors-in-pakistan-target-christians*
*http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51859*
*http://www.pakistanchristianpost.com/newsviewsdetails.php?newsid=578*

Persecution of Hindus
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Bangladesh_atrocities*
*http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2006/71443.htm*
*http://www.michnews.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/242/11159*
*http://www.dawn.com/2006/05/28/nat23.htm*
*http://us.rediff.com/news/2006/jun/13temple.htm*
*http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1643844.cms*
*http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1651762.cms*
*http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/06/06/16/10047337.html*


Hate in Pakistan:

*http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2005\10\21\story_21-10-2005_pg3_2*
*http://www.kashmirherald.com/featuredarticle/democracyinpakistan.html*
*http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/mar2006-daily/24-03-2006/main/main5.htm*
*http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2004/35519.htm*

Jew-bashing in Pakistan

*http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/Pakistan.html*
*http://www.axt.org.uk/antisem/archive/archive1/pakistan/pakistan.htm*
*http://www.hinduonnet.com/businessline/2001/01/05/stories/040555ra.htm*
*http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/blog/2005/08/pakistan_in_the.html*
*http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/40258.htm*
*http://www.ncsj.org/AuxPages/010505State_A-S.shtml*


This is a small sample of ur "great Pakistan". Great garbage dump more like. Great barbarians perhaps.




 
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Bharatveer    One last attempt at putting the links in   12/16/2006 5:41:49 AM
India definitely won the Kargil War and crushed the terrorist Islamofascist savage-state of Pakistan.

Proof from Pakistani sources:

The war devastated Pakistan's economy:

link harvard.edu



link salon.com


The morale and credibility of Pakistan Army was gone. link




Riots ensued in Pakistan over their defeat 

http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/thscrip/print.pl?file=2006092505001100.htm&date=2006/09/25/&prd=th& ;




In fact Musharraf had advised against Kargil: 


 Knowing full well that they'd be defeated.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/aug1999/pak-a07.shtml


 Benazir Bhutto called Kargil Pakistan' biggest blunder. 

Pakistani media lambasted the defeat of their own military


http://www.ipcs.org/PakMedia05-UAug04.pdf

http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1056536

http://www.dawn.com/weekly/ayaz/990709.htm


http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_19-7-2004_pg3_1



Above shows how badly Pakistan screwed up the war

In contrast, India's stock market rose after the war,  the BJP got massive popularity, Indian media covered the war beautifully, and global support for India rose. America, Israel and India are strong allies now, and everybody knows the truth about Pakistan, a state populated by backward and uncivilized rejects from India who are only interested in terrorism, murder, the propagation of hate through Deobandi Muslim madrassas and the promulgation of genocide and slaughter.

India's effective victory

http://www.time.com/time/asia/magazine/2000/0410/india.kargil.html

 military budget skyrocketed, and India wound up with one of the largest armies in the world. India definitely won the war in all aspects. India also won the 1971 war with Pakistan, with about 1 lakh surrenders from Pakistan army, and the other wars were a strategic victory for India (if not a tactical one).

India is superior to Pakistan in every aspect imaginable. Better economy, higher GDP, higher human development indexmore stable politics (Pakistan has massive insurgency in Balochistan (nearly 1/4th of Pakistan), insurgencies in India have been small scale and quickly crushed except Kashmir, a tiny corner of India). Pakistan is an islamofascist state and is currently ranked 9th by the US congress as a failed state (Sudan is first, India is 97th or something, lower ie better than Honduras or even Mexico), India is multicultural, Pakistan is islamofascist, Pakistan breeds the worlds most terrorists, every Muslim terrorist has received training in Pakistan at some time or another. Pakistan is populated by racists. Punjab is dominated by Punjabi ethnocentrists, Sind by Sindhi ethnocentrists. Pakistan is violent.Pakistanis have lower average IQ's than Indians do. Pakistanis have more backward people per total population than India does (NWFP Pukhtun etc.), Pakistan has more desperation than India does, Pakistan is an antisemitic country with Jew-bashing conspiracy theories sold in every street corner in Lahore (Protocols of Zion etc.), Pakistanis murder Christians, Hindus, Jews and Zoroastrians every day. Christians in Pakistan live in mortal fear all the time.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/rt_pakis.htm
http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=7248
http://www.domini.org/openbook/pak20020925.htm
http://www.missio-aachen.de/menschen-kulturen/nachrichten/Sangla_Hill_attack_continues_to_draw_conde

 
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tigertony    Both sides are a riot,lol   12/24/2006 12:51:51 PM
   Well now if i was both India and Pakistan i would be more worried about CCP and what they are going to do soon to both India and Pakistan!. CCP has already defeated India, and CCP is slowly taking control of Pakistan, which will soon if they continue supporting Islamic Terrorism be abandoned by the world!. Pakistan and it's people think CCP is their friend, while they will continue making you their puppet!. So Pakistan keep on allowing them to gain influence and pull your strings!. I wonder why India is now moving closer with the USA ?. And actually reality for both India and Pakistan is you both, with CCP help, will nuke eachother over Kashmir, which to CCP is a win win scenario!. While both your nations butcher eachother over Kashmir "CCP has already fought border wars with Russia,India,Vietnam,attacked the UN and the USA,and conquered Tibet,and soon Taiwan!.". Afterall to CCP all of Asia belongs to them already,or dont you people read their own military doctrines?
 
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xplosive    Great Pakistan - What a Joke   6/5/2007 5:56:23 AM
Well mister TheOne, you have mentioned all the wars, and as per your illusion pakistan has won all of them. May you in your dreams....... ha ha ha.... still sleeping... n ... dreaming .... ha? Perhaps this will wake up you ...... I mean the War of 1971........ remember......????.... how pakistan military down their knees in front of the great Indian Military..... which laid down the foundation of new country..... (I mean Bangladesh)......
 
And to whom u r saying Kashmiri Mujhaidin...... are the pakistani troops in the form of militants. pakistan can not put their army as it is ..... as it require gutts, power - both military and intellectual...... which pakistan dont have.... they always send their troops in the form of militants....... Taliban is best example of this...... and you have witnessed how Taliban (whose foundation was laid down by pakistan) has been destroyed and how bangladesh is still surviving whose foundation was laid down by pakistan).
 
pakistan!!!!!!!!!! and great................ ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ..................
 
wake up budy.....
 
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qwer       8/3/2007 10:33:10 PM
 
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aksingh    Propaganda   8/10/2007 10:41:43 PM
Are you mental?
Do you seriously believe everything on your PTV?
Which province are you from I m guessing NWFP since you are dumb.

 
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elnet3el       8/16/2007 3:27:19 PM
Great article..Pakistani always live in illusion. You have sensored media, so you thinking goes to 180 degree. You went to Dad Cllinton..it was Nawaz Sharif..not Vajyaee. Your army has even refused to take the dead bodies of your soldiers. You have very limited thinking which goes to America, dollar and anti India. You have butured Afghanistan. You have laid to Kashmiri.  Your army has raped 200000 bangladeshi. killed entire creamy layer of Bangladesh the nude dance of your army world has ever seen. Your army is dancing on America's music. You have arrested your father of Atom Bamb.. Shame on you. You are a black spon on Islam and Muslim community.  
 
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MoJoe       2/7/2008 12:07:45 PM
burhangondal,
Literacy, do you understand what that means?


 
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