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Subject: AMRAAM Sams for Australian please.
Aussiegunner    9/5/2003 12:00:23 AM
See the article on AMRAAM SAM's? The system would be perfect for Australia. This is because it is readily deployable in defence of the army in the field, but has a long enough range and an anti-cruise missile capability that make it good enough to defend our facilities at home. Seems like the obvious choice to me.
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Thomas    RE:AMRAAM Sams for Australian please.   9/5/2003 1:47:27 AM
Yes I read it too. This could be the SAM break through we've been waiting for. The Hawk (dispite updates) is an old system. The Patriot has not delivered up to expectation (perhaps they were to high) and Roland far to expensive and so on. It seems like a system that can follow armoured units and in conjunction with Stingers and guns give some real protection. Furthermore it should be doable to integrate them into the same system where the Air- Air missiles can be detected by one aircraft, launched by another and directed by a third. Once again Norway has saved the day. That was the good news, the bad news is, if Norway can develop something like this, the Saddamites can as well.
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Aussiegunner    RE:AMRAAM Sams for Australian please.   9/5/2003 9:57:36 AM
Yes, the only other comparable system seams to be the Italian SPADA 2000. It would be interesting to compare the costs of both systems.
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Massive    RE:AMRAAM Sams for Australian please.   9/5/2003 5:11:19 PM
I suspect that we could only afford (or that politicians would only stretch) to provide enough for defence of the Army in he field. To defend installations against cruise they would need a lot of systems wouldn't they? It would plug a major whole in the layers of Australia's air defence system and obviate a lot of the need for a Patriot type system.
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Aussiegunner    RE:AMRAAM Sams for Australian please.   9/6/2003 12:44:25 AM
I actually think that the Air Defence of the northern facilites would be the priority task for these assets. This is because armies in the field generally are attacked from within the range of an RBS-70(by everybody except the USAF). That said I don't think we would need that many for the base defence role. They would only be for any air-launched missiles that launched from SU-30's, that slip through the fighter screen (in the 250km range class). 3 or 4 launchers would cover the whole of Darwin, and 1 or 2 for each of the 3 bare bases, and the electronic warfare station in Queensland, would suffice beyond that. Tindal is to far inland to be threatened, even by SU-30's, as are the Jindalee facilites. That adds up to a minimum of about 12 launchers. BTW, I had a friend who used to work on a mobile air-force radar. He said that between 2 of these units and 2 DDG's(or frigates), they could provide coverage(and missile defence, for the whole of Darwin. I think it is a waste of a flexible asset, like a warship, to sit it in a harbour to provide air-defence coverage. However much these launchers cost, they can't cost a fraction of what a frigate or a destroyer does. They would be an economical purchase in my book. Buy 2 or 3 less F-18E's to cover the cost, if you must.
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Massive    RE:AMRAAM Sams for Australian please.   9/6/2003 6:41:16 PM
AG, Is there a good link for the AMRAAM/HUMRAAM?
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Aussiegunner    RE:AMRAAM Sams for Australian please.   9/7/2003 5:33:47 AM
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Interrested    RE:AMRAAM Sams for Australian please.   9/7/2003 5:48:57 AM
Wouldn't the australian air defence benefit from the purchase of the Israeli Arrow2? It's far more capable than the Pac3 pariot, and a bit cheaper....well presumably. The amraam would be very well suited for a second tier defence (specific sites or aera's). great speed, relative low kost, great manuverability etc The reason for my argument for the Arrow is that the 40+Km range of the amraam isn't going to be much use against cheap weapons like the JDAM + diamondback kit. A glider weapon which outranges the Amraam and is very much cheaper. The armraam's alone will probably not suffice Furthermore, the JDAM's are very hard targets got kill. As the Amraam's are developed againt aircraf and big cruise missle's they might now be so effective against a gliding bomb. I'm not saying JDAM's will be used, but similar weapon's will be on the market from different supplier's soon. (think a couple of years) And if they go a step farther and make it a bit like a JSOW, well than they will be even harder to detect and thus destroy. So yes, Amraam is a great weapon and a very good solution for point defence, but on it's own it will be to vulnerable to counter attack's
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Heorot    RE:AMRAAM Sams for Australian please.   9/7/2003 5:55:24 AM
If you hit a JDAM with an AMRAAM, even if you don't kill it, you are likely to kill the seeker. Then what is left is a dumb bomb a long way from its target.
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Interrested    RE:AMRAAM Sams for Australian please.   9/7/2003 7:03:13 AM
JDAM....seeker??...huh?? A JDAM is GPS guided with inertia backup, seeker. The frag's of the amraam would have to hit it's tailcone. This could be done, but it sertainly ain't easy. And if shielded...not so very would be even harder to knock out. The seeker you're talking about isn't operational, and hasn't even been decided on. (IR/CCD/additional radio link/etc) These seekers are meant to increase the accuracy to LGB standaards. Without them they would most probabal still fall within the Kill CEP of a 1000 or even 500 pound JDAM. Certainly unprotected Humvee's or truck mounted systems would be very vulnerable.
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Massive    RE:AMRAAM Sams for Australian please - Interested   9/7/2003 9:33:19 AM
It would be employed as part of a layered air defence system including F-18/F-35, AEW&C and Over-the-horizon radar. More of a last ditch defence if a cruise missile were to sneak through. Something like Arrow would of course be a welcome addition but probably too expensive. Alternatives to Arrow - S-300 & Patriot...others?
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