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Subject: Iran gets the S-300
Shirrush    12/26/2007 2:16:12 PM
Now it's confirmed.
 
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Shirrush    Darth   12/28/2007 3:41:43 AM
DA, can you tell us anything about what you know and you say we have no clue about?
Seen from here, President G. W. Bush is indeed a  man of very little resolve, to the point of letting his bitterest adversaries in the State Department and the intelligence agencies run the show.
Will he just sit by and watch the American victory in Iraq turn into a Vietnam-like defeat, or is there something you guys down there in harm's way know and would rather shut up about?
Keep safe, and have a happy New Year. You and your buddies in the sandbox are still my heroes, even when we disagree.

 
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Shirrush    This just in.   12/28/2007 5:20:06 AM
Here's Russia's denial. Always believe the Russians, they always tell the truth!
Dunno, but I'd rather believe the Iranians. They still can get a Chinese clone with Russian components, and Russia will be able to come clean about it.

 
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reefdiver       12/28/2007 10:07:21 AM

Here's Russia's denial. Always believe the Russians, they always tell the truth!
Dunno, but I'd rather believe the Iranians. They still can get a Chinese clone with Russian components, and Russia will be able to come clean about it.


One wonders if the Russians didn't just call in the Iranian ambassador and say "What the ~!@# were you thinking when you announced this deal?"....if there was a deal, its probably now considerably delayed.
Or in the immortal words of Gilda:  "never mind". 
 
Regardless, someone's lying.
 
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Jeff_F_F       12/28/2007 10:33:51 AM
This sounds a lot like the comments by so many when Iran was holding the British sailors. Diplomacy has a place, and the willingness to negotiate is neither a sign of weakness nor a sure sign of impending failure. Also, consider that the there are long range geopolitical goals in the region that would be severely hurt by premature aggression against Iran. We'd like to do a Warsaw Pact on them, but that takes time--and PATIENCE.
 
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DarthAmerica    Shirrush reply   12/28/2007 10:41:51 AM
Does I told you so just about cover it?


-DA


P.S. Thank You for the kind words. Happy New Year to you too!

 
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Shirrush       12/28/2007 10:45:16 AM
Jeff_F_F, the problem is that there is no time, and the jitstorm is already upon us.
Pakistan is due to steal the show for quite some time now, since the risks that real nuclear warheads might fall into the hands of Global Jihad, Inc., are quite high. It's time to do something, but what?

 
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farscape    Now it's (maybe) unconfirmed   12/28/2007 11:15:16 AM
The Jerusalem Post and Haaretz are reporting today that "The federal agency overseeing Russia's military exports on Friday denied reports that the country is planning to deliver S-300 anti-aircraft missile systems to Iran." 
More details at the respective papers websites.
Shades of the old SU-27 sale to Iran rumours?


Yes, I'm new in town. I'll introduce myself later. Cheers.


 
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DarthAmerica       12/28/2007 1:50:34 PM

This sounds a lot like the comments by so many when Iran was holding the British sailors. Diplomacy has a place, and the willingness to negotiate is neither a sign of weakness nor a sure sign of impending failure. Also, consider that the there are long range geopolitical goals in the region that would be severely hurt by premature aggression against Iran. We'd like to do a Warsaw Pact on them, but that takes time--and PATIENCE.


Better to do an Imperial Japan on them. They have that potential and if realized we all stand to gain. Thing is we can catch this one early BEFORE it turns into a catastrophic war. If we are serious about a non-violent solution, then people need to learn not to hyperventilate over every little headline about Iran.

Iran is not going to magically be able to thwart a US attack with a single platform procurement. Also, use reliable, verifiable sources prior to jumping into the frenzy. I mentioned this several weeks ago and warned that we should not take it for granted.

-DA
 
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Darth Squirrel    lol   12/28/2007 2:02:31 PM





 

It is pointless to comment on how this impacts any potential American strike on Iran - THERE ISN'T GOING TO BE ONE and I said that a long time ago.  BUSH IS A MAN OF VERY LITTLE RESOLVE.



You do not have any idea what you are talking about. NONE.

-DA




  Sorry, the bald facts don't lie.  You can choose to ignore them or deny them but that is your affair.
 
   Syria:              getting away clean with sponsorship of terrorism and now at least proxy nuclear work
   Iran:                getting away clean with sponsorship of terrorism, including Taliban and Al Qaida and their nukes
   North Korea:  getting away clean with their nuclear program, involvement in nuclear and missile proliferation, and they are already out of compliance with what I call the Agreed Framework II, even by our own State Department's acknowledgement.  The blackmail payments of fuel, food, and money are going through on schedule, however.  Note that their involvement in Syria was disclosed well after AF II was inked.
 
   Your so-called "security president" is a joke.  Ahmadenijad is a more effective leader.  He repeatedly said that the US was bluffing and would not attack.  He repeatedly waved a finger and said that "the West cannot do a damned thing" about Iran's nuclear program.  He has been proven correct.
 
I offer you the NIE.  You must apply your own geopolitical acumen to interpret the impact of it.  If you have some kind of real evidence that "no idea" what I'm talking about, offer it up.  Refute the above facts, please.  Otherwise, stop denouncing me.
 
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DarthAmerica       12/28/2007 2:39:56 PM









 



It is pointless to comment on how this impacts any potential American strike on Iran - THERE ISN'T GOING TO BE ONE and I said that a long time ago.  BUSH IS A MAN OF VERY LITTLE RESOLVE.






You do not have any idea what you are talking about. NONE.



-DA






  Sorry, the bald facts don't lie.  You can choose to ignore them or deny them but that is your affair.

 

   Syria:              getting away clean with sponsorship of terrorism and now at least proxy nuclear work

   Iran:                getting away clean with sponsorship of terrorism, including Taliban and Al Qaida and their nukes

   North Korea:  getting away clean with their nuclear program, involvement in nuclear and missile proliferation, and they are already out of compliance with what I call the Agreed Framework II, even by our own State Department's acknowledgement.  The blackmail payments of fuel, food, and money are going through on schedule, however.  Note that their involvement in Syria was disclosed well after AF II was inked.

 

   Your so-called "security president" is a joke.  Ahmadenijad is a more effective leader.  He repeatedly said that the US was bluffing and would not attack.  He repeatedly waved a finger and said that "the West cannot do a damned thing" about Iran's nuclear program.  He has been proven correct.

 

I offer you the NIE.  You must apply your own geopolitical acumen to interpret the impact of it.  If you have some kind of real evidence that "no idea" what I'm talking about, offer it up.  Refute the above facts, please.  Otherwise, stop denouncing me.


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Try that, then read the thread again.

-DA
 
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