Yeah, actually i agree. Infact back home I would be called a tratiot too. But thats because I want a united India, beautful diverse and powerful. I'm from Karachi too. We are kinda diffrent from the rest of the country... its not a matter of race, i am a pustun, Karachites are the most educated. But we cant say this back home. And quite frankly I think now that we are involved, and since we ahve the moral high ground, we should try to get Kashimir. But I also belive that peace with India is very important. India is probally the next world power with china. If we are close to india (we are already buddies with china) we would surely gain a lot. Besides... if you want to ask me for a solution for the pakistan india problem. UNIFICATION UNDER A UNION WITH BOTH STATES HAVING SOME SOVERNIGTY. Ofcourse this would require that the status of Kashmir be resoloved. Infact if i was the Dictator of Pakistan , i would offer unifaction (assuming we get Kashmir). But ofcourse India right now is ruled buy the HINDU FANATICS the BJP, who would not want anything to do with muslims who are "untouchables" in their caste system.

Thanks for the reply, but I think you accidently signed my name to it.

For Pakistani (or anyone else); Is an independent Kashmir that simple. I don't know the exact demographics, but wouldn't the minority Hindus (or fill in the blank), want sponsorship or protection from India ? One analogy is Northern Ireland. Even independence wouldn't work there. The Catholics are already a minority and an independent Protestant Northern Irealand would feel threatened by the Irish Republic. In other words, even independence means some group is giving up influence. PG

Yeah i know i signed the wrong name... sorry :)

Your right but since both groups would need protection a UN peacekeeping force would be in order.

Ike, If I understand it right, India is truly a secular state where the population of Muslims has grown from 8 or so percent to 13 or so percent since they separated, whereas Pakistan and Bangladesh have been cleansing non Muslims. Is that the case? Seems that those Indians have the largest democracy like ours.

bigtexan said: Ike, If I understand it right ... Pakistan and Bangladesh have been cleansing non Muslims. Is that the case? ... -- I'm not Ike, but anyway ... :) The following information is from a Christian point of view and unfriendly to Islam, however it is properly documented and looks fully credible to me. http://www.answering-islam.org/NonMuslims/ http://www.domini.org/openbook/unveiling_of_pakistan.htm Read for yourself, pursue further sources from other viewpoints, and make up your own mind. Personally I would not like to live under that kind of rule. The article "The Process of Islamization in Egypt" gives a good look at how the system works in the long run: with ups and downs, good times and bad, like any normal human process.

India is more than 80% Hindu and that influences politics. The religious aspect was, traditionally, somewhat limited. There is a strong, explicitly Hindu oriented political movement active right now which is influential on the level of the national government. Politics are much less religiously oriented than in Pakistan, though, or most of the Islamic world.

"Your right..."? Your what is right?

Kashmir is a part of pakistan and we will not let it go without a fight.