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Subject: How to judge what the best fighter plane is?
45-Shooter    1/3/2013 5:09:26 PM
I would list the following traits in the order of their importance; 1. Cruising speed under combat conditions. 2. Range/Persistence under combat conditions. 3. Flight qualities, specifically the ability to point the nose at the target easily and a very high rate of roll. 4. CL Guns with high MV/BC and rates of fire. 5. Pitch response, IE the rate at which you can load the plane. 6. Climb at Military Power. In WW-II terms, that means ~75-80% throttle, rich mixture and appropriate pitch on the prop.( A setting that can be held for at least 30 minutes!) 7. Top speed! To escape or run down the target. 8. Lastly the ability to turn in the so called "Dog Fight"! After you rate these choices, I'll mark the list with what I think is the strength of each atribute.
 
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Belisarius1234    KEN DAHLBERG    2/20/2013 9:48:17 AM
HE turned into his opponent, who over-shot.( Your exact stupid setup, I believe.)
 
What did your own video, prove, Stuart?
 
You don't know what you discuss.
 
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45-Shooter       2/21/2013 2:22:27 PM


HE turned into his opponent, who over-shot.( Your exact stupid setup, I believe.)

Just because he turned into an oponent, that makes my point even better. Just "Turning into your opponent" does not always work! It all depends on the geomitry and starting vectors. They were obviously different in his instance than mine. Trying to make one general argument fit all specific examples is kind of silly, don't you think? 

What did your own video, prove, Stuart?

My vidio showed three things IF you looked closely at it all; 1. The vast number of targets shot down out of that furball were flying straight and level when they got hosed. 2. Once the shooter starts firing, there is very little that victom can do to escape in MOST cases. 3. Since it was a computer generated  film of the pilot's recolections, it has value that exceeds it cartoon like carricter. As such the things in it are not a game, but are something to learn from.

You don't know what you discuss.

Not worth discussing. 

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Lastly, did you note that it took very few rounds to destroy a fighter plane, even though they were only .50 caliber?
Five targets destroyed for less than 400 rounds per gun total.
 
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Belisarius1234    Don't nother me with an ego defense.   2/22/2013 8:27:15 AM
Not one word in that last post you sent,Stuart, was about the topic. It boiled down to "I'm not wrong" Nah Nah.  
 
Well guess what Stuart? He still turned. Your setup is still wrong, your math doesn't work (geometry is a subset of ALGEBRA called graphable functions). and you don't know what you talk about.
 
Deal with it.
 
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45-Shooter       2/22/2013 1:53:49 PM

Well guess what Stuart? He still turned. So what, it was not aplicable to this debate! ( Jets-missiles-throttle constraints-etc...)
Your setup is still wrong,How is starting 300 Yards/meters dead astern with 50 MPH in hand "wrong"?
 your math doesn't work So post your math that prooves mine are wrong instead of just stating that lie! Please include a diagram to show what is wrong with my explanation.
 and you don't know what you talk about. I believe that some how I have popped your favorite fantasy balloon and you are now arguing with me just to make me feel some how diminished? I have explained how and why the problem is valid and all you can do is tell us all that it is defective and that I am some how wrong, but with out ever posting a point by point, or even a definitive rebuttal of my possit. Some how, I feel sorry for you.
Deal with it. I have, but some how, I believe that you are some how ignoring every point I have made, also ignoring every outside source published by third parties.

 

Claims are easy to make but harder, if not impossible to proove, particularly when you do not post those proofs or alternitive arguments, none of which you have done but slander me. But I do not care and I continue to ask that you at least try to proove your point! But barring this, I revert to the original post.
What are the most important atributes of WW-II Fighter planes and how important are they in relation to each other?

 
 
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Belisarius1234    WOFTAM   2/22/2013 2:04:33 PM
Until you retract ALL your lies, and can prove you can add, consider yourself ignored.
 
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Belisarius1234       2/22/2013 2:19:27 PM
Here's a hint, Instant turn rates, speeds stated and circle radii for the planes cliamed don't match REALITY.
 
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oldbutnotwise       2/22/2013 6:12:45 PM
shooters posts only match reality by accident
 
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45-Shooter       2/22/2013 8:19:38 PM

Until you retract ALL your lies, and can prove you can add, consider yourself ignored.
B.
What does this acronym  "WOFTAM"  mean?  
Just currious!     
 



 
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45-Shooter       2/22/2013 8:20:43 PM

Here's a hint, Instant turn rates, speeds stated and circle radii for the planes cliamed don't match REALITY.
B.
How do any of those things relate to the problem as stated?
 
 

Serriously!

 
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