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SYSOP 8/7/2011 7:59:23 AM

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Reactive 12/14/2011 9:42:55 PM

He still got it WRONG.

Lol..

I did wonder where he managed to acquire several gallons of word-soup.

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BWisBack 12/14/2011 10:13:03 PM

Herald :

""NATO chain of command is the US built chain""

This is what has to be changed or at the very least updated .

Reasons :

-1) since you budget is going down , you are UNRELIABLE .

-2) you ' re not the best around , especialy when it comes to decision making

-3) you ' re a bunch of cowboys

When I see that the F-22 lines are now close for good and when the fighter has never seen combat because it is useless and when it has been crippled with problems and stuck on the ground for ages and when it did cost you a leg and an harm I say that you have nothing to teach us .

You have nothing in your inventory who can match the Rafale omnirole capabilities and your naval fighter is now the second best . Your RoE are obsolete and your Intel chain can 't be trusted anymore (if it ever has) .

During a medium size conflict , France and the UK can show you how to do things better , faster , cheaper and without going all guns blazing . We train and operate so much with each other that we know that the USA is sometimes more a burden than anything else when it comes to fasten the Ops . You are slow buddy and you are dangerous sometimes , we need to watch our backs in case a crazy american starts shooting everywhere .

I have been in the Forces and I still speak on a daily basis with military personal and I know what I am talking about . You don 't , armchair poster . Your military cursus is ZERO .

So , don 't even try to lecture me on NATO : I ' ve been in .

Cheers .

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heraldabc You just whistle that tune. 12/14/2011 10:46:39 PM

Herald :

""NATO chain of command is the US built chain""

This is what has to be changed or at the very least updated .

Reasons :

-1) since you budget is going down , you are UNRELIABLE .

ROTFLMAO.

-2) you ' re not the best around , especialy when it comes to decision making

We're good enough to save your bacon in Libya.

-3) you ' re a bunch of cowboys

Of course we are, we're the cavalry to the rescue when you get yourselves in a jam you cannot fix.

F-22 fly combat patrols where they are needed.

F-16s do just fine.

Hate to say it, but we put you where you could do NO harm in Afghanland and in Iraq on the rare times we used you. We actually respect the Dutch in battle more than you.

I have been in the Forces and I still speak on a daily basis with military personal and I know what I am talking about . You don 't , armchair poster . Your military cursus is ZERO .

I worked with the military (every service), truck driver, for TWENTY FIVE years . YOU are now known after five years of posted nonsense to know NOTHING about tanks, rifles, aircraft, or missiles. I seriously doubt you. Veterans don't make the simple mistakes you do. I'm only a DAC and I don't make the foolish mistakes you do.

So , don 't even try to lecture me on NATO : I ' ve been in .

No, you haven't. FACT.You might have been a French enlisted trooper but THAT is all.

Enjoy that dose of truth and have a standard night.

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BWisBack 12/14/2011 10:53:47 PM

Reactive :

""I did wonder where he managed to acquire several gallons of word-soup. ""

Where your brain will never go .

Obviously , you did not understand a word of what I said . Good , it 's gonna spare me time .

To be honest , I was hoping for a intelligent response but I see that I overestimated you . There is no point anymore to discuss ECMs with you .

In fact , you probably are a crook too ...

But since I 'm a good man ...Tell me , what do you know about DRFM techniques ? How can they be used to discriminate , separate , assemble and re-built the waveforms ? How many bits per chain need to be computed before a proper response can be sent ? (there is a trap there)

You should know that Reactive , surely

Cheers .

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BWisBack 12/15/2011 12:05:36 AM

You are a crook Herald .

It is amusing to see you being on your nerves . You know nothing about me apart what I did leak out .

There is one thing I know for sure , you 've never been on the battlefield or you wouldn 't talk the way you do . It is more than obvious that you never cared about those who fight . You are a "cerebral" kind .

Now , wrt to your responses in your last post it is clear that you live in a US lead dream world .

Wake up ! It 's not the case .

In Irak , you indeed did put us (on the ground) where you wanted . Nevertheless , the Daguet Division did an outstanding job and the armored Foreign Legion had to wait for you for 4 days after taking a major airfield . We learned (again) that the USA were running the show at their pace : slowly . Your logistics lines were broken and they never could follow the spearheads .

You didn 't saved anything in Libya , you almost disapeared after a month . WE started the Ops with our logistic chain then you went in with cruise missiles and B2s . 3 weeks later , your fighters said bye-bye and don ' t say that the job was done because it wasn 't . Check the OOB again and the dates .

The F-22 (while I love it) is a useless fighter and you send it where there is nothing to do , just to make sure that none will ever get shot because the outcome would be disastrous for some american firms . A sheer waste of money .

But hey , they don 't need to get shot , they ground themselves !

No , you are not the Cavalry . You are a slow turtle with a strong armor .

F-16 is my favorite fighter in your inventory because it does the job , whatever the situation is .

But the Rafale is a different beast . I dare say that it is the best multirole fighter today from the land or from the sea . Its capabilities and inventory are great and combat proven for the most part .

Cheers .

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Reactive 12/15/2011 12:48:41 AM

You should know that Reactive , surely

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You want me to write you an essay based on a flawed question that you don't actually understand that is lifted from an article you've read?

DRFM is not a magic bullet technology, BW, it is a term for a range of techniques that are broadly defined under an umbrella acronym, any jamming system reliant on rebroadcasting (repeating) signals has a processing penalty, when that signal is almost indistinguishable from background noise so that you only have (after filtering) part of the signal and has a VERY low PRF or is CW how can you do that stochastically (important term here) if you can neither classify the threat radar (because it isn't in your library or is highly adaptive) or because it uses non-repeating signal elements? Again, I'm not saying it's impossible to jam certain components of that signal or introduce enough noise to effect accuracy I'm just saying that IMV the odds are against the target unless it has taken measures to make up for it's inherent processing disadvantage by reducing its radar returns by the same sorts of margin. It's all to do wise useful range and the noise floor, reducing the strength of the return is how you win that battle.

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Reactive 12/15/2011 7:41:36 AM

Here are a couple of pertinent extracts from the article cited earlier.

After classification and parameter extraction, immediate jamming response can beinitiated with associated EA systems. There are two requirements for effective jammingof LPI radars. The first is that the platform carrying the EA and ES receiver systems should detect the LPI radar before LPI radar detects the platform. Otherwise the EA system’s effectiveness is severely reduced .

The second requirement relates to the efficiency of the jamming waveform. Because the LPI radar transmissions are spread over a very wide bandwidth in a noise-like manner, it is very difficult for an uncorrelated waveform spread over the same bandwidth to be effective (Schleher 1986, 559)

For FSK radars ”follower jamming” can be used. A follower jammer detects the frequency of each hop and then jams on that frequency. But this solution requires an extremely fast frequency measurement technique in order to deny the enemy the transmitted information in each hop (Adamy 2001, ). Furthermore, the frequency hopping sequence of the FSK radar is unknown and appears random to the ES receiver. U nless this frequency sequence is solved, the possibility of the jammer following the changes in frequency is very remote. There are limitations to the use of ES receivers and EA systems in a platform-centric configuration. Geometrical limitations include extended stand-off ranges and alignment problems, which make it especially difficult to detect and jam LPI radars. Also, the ES receiver is limited by “jamming look through”. Eliminating the limitations inherent in a platform-centric configuration is accomplished by a distributed system of systems. A distributed system of systems provides significant geometric flexibility, and can reduce or eliminate the need for look through.

A point I'd make here is that while look-through (periods of listening) can in theory be selectively reduced by the use of multiple jammers the advantage is once again in favour of multiple transmitters, their processing advantage scales linearly while that of the jammers doesn't (latency, timing, separation) the transmitters are capable of singing from the same hymn sheet, in the real world with multiple sensors in operation there is the enormous advantage of being able to selectively force targets to process whatever the hell they want, spectra like any system has a finite amount of computational resources even in theory if it could detect or jam a single advanced LPI source it has to do more than double the work to process two (is has to unpick them from each other as well as each from the background noise). I'd argue that even in terms of highly networked operation the advantage is still heavily on the side of those with better and more powerful sensors.

Which is why every 5th Gen design, manned and unmanned uses LO/VLO to dramatically increase its detection advantage, the Rafale is not an equivalent to this in any respect, neither is the Typhoon or any other 4th generation design, despite what you might want to believe.

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heraldabc Taking you apart. 12/15/2011 8:40:28 AM

1. We put you out there away from the Iraqi main body because

a. We didn't think your armor was of sufficient quality to deal with the Republican Guard. It wasn't. If You had fought 73 Easting you would have been DEFEATED.

b. You were incapable of supplying yourselves and we didn't need your logtraina interfering with either the British or American routes.

c. We respected your political leadership's to show the flag and not seriously FIGHT.

d. We expected that youy would be able to handle the very limited objectives you were given as a flank guard out west, where there was really nothing of a major threat to worry us or you.

e. The reason for the VII Corps logistics snarl was the unforeseen escarpment Franks cavalry screen encountered. After a couple of trails were bulldozed across there was NO logistics failure. Things like that happen in any battle and are expected. YOU would have been stopped cold because you did not have the engineer equipment to reduce the terrain obstacle. We did.

How would I KNOW these details?

In Libya, enclosed in the garbage you posted about the war was the French admission of US continuous intelligence assistance target coordination, FLAK suppression, tanker refueling, and ammunition resupply from our European and US stockpiles.

You ran out of BOMBs. Your logistics organization, intelligence coordination and command and control were a JOKE. That was why the USS Mount Whitney was there.

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heraldabc Taking you apart. 12/15/2011 8:45:18 AM

You are a crook Herald .

Lie.

It is amusing to see you being on your nerves . You know nothing about me apart what I did leak out .

Lie.

I am cerebral in that I refuse to admire waste, stupidity, and 'romantic based thinking' incompetence. I plead guilty to wanting to see the French fighting man receive good gear, to go with his adequate training and that he n3eeds BETTER leadership. Good training does NOT make up for shoddy equipment and incompetent politicians and generals. I've said so in the past and I say so now, You have a problem with that, then tough. I am a rational cold-hearted bastard. You wouldn't like me, BW. I don't tolerate fools.

Now , wrt to your responses in your last post it is clear that you live in a US lead dream world .

Wake up ! It 's not the case .

See comment above about romantic nonsense. Refer to what I've said about my own nation's mistakes. One recent major mistake was that we should have STOPPED your foolish Libya adventure. It was NOT in our interest to offend Italy or GERMANY..

Lie. (See above.)

I did, which is why I know you lied.

Part 2.

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heraldabc 12/15/2011 8:46:01 AM

But hey , they don 't need to get shot , they ground themselves !

We put the F-22 where WE needed it. (Alaska is one such place where it deploys) Being a crown jewel like the B-2, it is US based and NOT a show the flag wag the tail asset. The plane has a good safety record and does not crash like the Rafale has at least three times for the loss of four aircraft, (three of those losses possibly due to pilot incompetence brought on by a poorly designed HFE cockpit. Two Rafales hit each other when the pilots were heads down, the third was a pilot confused by his fuel management system and crashed after flameout. I can't speak for the fourth accident, that pilot and his plane were totally destroyed and there was no retrievable data worth a damn.) .

As for the aircraft fleet being grounded, Those planes FLY now. The oxygen generator issue is one I can't talk about; a. its not my area of expertise; b, there are some things reported that make me suspect that its a cover story and a NON issue. I do admit that LockMart screwed up the first sixty airframes (wingbox shoulder join). Those are being rebuilt or so scheduled. (THAT is a non-issue as regards combat. Its a flyable useful hours thing...)

No , you are not the Cavalry . You are a slow turtle with a strong armor .

Never seen US armor at work, have you?

F-16 is my favorite fighter in your inventory because it does the job , whatever the situation is .

Its why it was built. The loser of that competition was also built. That shows how GOOD the planes are.

Cheers .

Then why is it only France that uses it? You need to stop dreaming.

H. Part 3

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