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Subject: F-35 news thread III
jessmo_24    1/12/2011 7:23:24 AM
BF-2s 1st vertical landing. *ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS3ngl1GcaI&feature=player_embedded NAVAIRSYSCOM 10 Jan 2011 "F-35B test aircraft BF-2 accomplishes its first vertical landing and conversion back to normal flight mode at Naval Air Station Patuxent River, Maryland. The integrated test team is testing both the STOVL and carrier variants of the F-35 for delivery to the fleet. Video courtesy Lockheed Martin."
 
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Brad Piff       3/31/2011 2:04:49 PM










what yr $ were the 50-60m in ?







The Norwegian defence ministry announced on 25 September that it will buy four F-35s in 2016 to serve as trainers, but that the remaining aircraft planned for purchase in 2016 and 2017 will be postponed until 2018.







 







the 2016 URF for the f-35a LRIP is about 90m










We were told 54 m pr.aircraft in the 2016 timeframe. The deal is supposed to be much cheaper then what the SAAB could offer Gripen for, which is why the government choose the jet.



 



And they something like 3.2 billons for 48 airplanes.



 



At this time, do you think thats even possible? I've known weve been a supporter of the JSF for ages...but the development hasnt exactly been trouble free...






 



 




What so you're pretending to be norweigan now?

 

You're about as good at subterfuge as your countrymen were when they bombed rainbow warrior...

 

R



this member should be banned!
 
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jackjack       3/31/2011 2:37:05 PM
sorry, only trolls like you get banned here
 
the 4 trainers are going to be about 90m, the rest of the order post 2018 will be less, whether that is the 2010 yr dollars of 60m URF as stated by (us boss, forgot his name) I dont know
the 50-60m you quote isnt in now dollars and i think is in 2001 dollars
 
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jackjack       3/31/2011 2:40:44 PM
the 2010 60m $ is for the best multiyear production price, as i understand it
 
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Brad Piff       3/31/2011 3:27:46 PM

sorry, only trolls like you get banned here

 

the 4 trainers are going to be about 90m, the rest of the order post 2018 will be less, whether that is the 2010 yr dollars of 60m URF as stated by (us boss, forgot his name) I dont know

the 50-60m you quote isnt in now dollars and i think is in 2001 dollars

first of all, when did I troll?

second, why would they give 2001 dollar price to you in 2008 and say it was 2016 timefram.
 
and if the F-35 ends up being more expencive then the Gripen, should Norway start over?
 
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heraldabc       3/31/2011 3:44:14 PM
Now now, truck driver, let's not let the lying stray to far afield from what is known reality.
 
Herald   
 
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Reactive       3/31/2011 4:11:14 PM
It's pathological... as if he thinks he's pulling off some incredibly clever double bluff - he's like Inspector Clouseau from "The Pink Panther"(in that he's a useless, blundering French idiot) but markedly different in that he is not the least bit likable. 
 
He has all the cunning of a brick.
 
R
 
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Brad Piff       3/31/2011 4:47:39 PM
haha...pardon me I had to laugh at that :D
 
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RedParadize       4/3/2011 2:22:24 AM

well seeing URF f-35a LRIP 3 was ~140m and LRIP 4 is ~125m,

seeing these are already below, its safe to say your 150m is indeed a safe bet


Just for the record, the bet have been made in 2008. It also exclude the inflation.
 
I have a the feeling that I might have bet too low. Buying military stuff is not very popular these days. The political will might not be there... Will have to wait a bit to see if i was right. wonder if strategy page will still exist at that point.
 
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RedParadize       4/3/2011 2:23:46 AM
arrg i should have read it before posting it... whatever
 
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jessmo_24       4/3/2011 6:15:04 AM
F-35 Promises Revolution In NATO Air Operations by Daniel Goure, Ph.D.
Date:Thursday, March 31, 2011

http://www.lexingtoninstitute.org/f-35- ... amp;c=1171

"The current Libyan air operation may be the last of its kind. What I mean by this is an operation involving fourth-generation aircraft against Soviet-era defenses or single-digit surface-to-air missiles (SAMs). To date, the campaign has been as much an air show as combat operation with an array of fourth-generation fighters including the Rafale, Mirage 2000, Tornado, Typhoon, Harrier, F-16 and F-15E making an appearance. In some cases, such as the Tornado and Harrier, this is likely their victory lap before being retired.

In essence, the Libyan operation was a replay of that which occurred at the start of Desert Storm, the Balkans conflict and Operation Iraqi Freedom. In each case, the first move was to establish control of the air by means of large-scale attacks on radars, missile sites, airfields and command and control facilities. These air operations involved massed cruise missile strikes, the use of long-range bombers with precision munitions and then employment of large numbers of aircraft not only to control hostile airspace but also to provide airborne jamming, suppression of air defenses and ISR in support of the aircraft actually patrolling the skies.

Libya possessed an antiquated Soviet-era air defense system. Even then, the operation began with a volley of more than 100 cruise missiles coupled with strikes by stealthy B-2 bombers. Only when dominance of Libyan airspace was achieved could U.S. and coalition forces conduct significant attacks on Libyan government ground targets. Now that the Libyan air defenses have been eliminated, the responsibility for the rest of the operation can be turned over to NATO.

The challenge of establishing air superiority over Libya would have been much more difficult if the Ghadaffi regime had possessed modern double-digit SAMs and advanced fighter aircraft, both of which are proliferating around the world. The coalition would have had to expend a lot more cruise missiles and expand the number and types of aircraft employed to counter these advanced threats. Both the costs and risks of establishing a no-fly zone would have increased.

The Libyan operation would have been entirely different if the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) had been available. With its stealthy characteristics, advanced AESA radar, unique sensors and modern avionics, the fifth-generation F-35 would have allowed the coalition to establish a no-fly zone without having first to entirely suppress Libyan air defenses. In addition, the F-35 could have conducted combat air patrols with a reduced need for supporting aircraft. This would lower both the cost and risks associated with the air operation. For example, the U.S. Navy could have imposed a no-fly zone with a single aircraft carrier; today, with fourth-generation aircraft, such an operation would require as many as three carriers. F-35Bs would have replaced Harriers in supporting the MV-22 Osprey when it rescued the downed U.S. pilot. As a consequence of the reduced need for unique air assets that only the U.S. deploys, NATO allies operating their own fleets of F-35s could have implemented the no-fly zone by themselves.

Against modern air defenses, the F-35 could make the difference between success and failure in future air operations. The F-35 would not only conduct both combat air patrols and ground strikes but electronic warfare, suppression of enemy air defenses and ISR. The ability of the F-35 to share data will also lead to entirely new combat tactics. In combination with the F-22, the F-35 promises to revolutionize air warfare. U.S. allies and F-35 partner countries recognize that the F-35 is their only chance to retain a capability for modern air operations."
 
 
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