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Subject: F-35 news thread III
jessmo_24    1/12/2011 7:23:24 AM
BF-2s 1st vertical landing. *ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS3ngl1GcaI&feature=player_embedded NAVAIRSYSCOM 10 Jan 2011 "F-35B test aircraft BF-2 accomplishes its first vertical landing and conversion back to normal flight mode at Naval Air Station Patuxent River, Maryland. The integrated test team is testing both the STOVL and carrier variants of the F-35 for delivery to the fleet. Video courtesy Lockheed Martin."
 
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keffler25       5/23/2015 7:36:12 PM
Lol.
 
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jessmo_24       5/27/2015 9:14:50 PM
http://www.wsj.com/video/is-f-35-jet-finally-operational-marines-put-it-to-test/8C8E7C2C-10B3-4810-964A-7BDA5268CC75.html Tons of F-35 stuff going on. I do have a Question. Its seems like the launch cycle is very limited in some ways. Lets say, you need 2-4 gets to get airborne on an intercept? How do you get that many planes in the air, and not kill range using vert To? Do they need the entire deck for rolling TO?
 
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HR    Jessmo   5/28/2015 1:09:39 PM
It is about 600 feet from a flat surface and 450 feet from a ski-jump. The USA flat-top amphibs are about 800' long so that leaves you with 200'. It will surprise you how quickly these ships can launch sorties... they are faster than land-run-ways. The reason is that they are built like a small factory for launching aircrafts with each step calculated with manufacturing efficiency. That and that ships can move and get closer to targets normally means that they are more efficient than airports. Here is a link... http://s98.photobucket.com/user/SpazSinbad/media/F-35KPPs.gif.html
 
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keffler25       5/28/2015 2:41:16 PM
The troll should just be quiet about stuff about which he knows ZERO, you know?
 
The rolling take off runs are strictly for the Queen Elizabeths. Those are 150 meter ski ramp runs. US LHDs would launch singles and it would take the whole damned deck. No safe parkway at all when that is done.  .
 
Now that that is out of the way, the air defense question. First no LHD would be committed without a true CATOBAR carrier as a partner to any operation. It is insane to assume an LHD can do what an attack carrier can. Nevertheless there is a correct  answer as to how an emergency air defense would be LHD handled.     
 
In the alert 5 air defense posture, you would go half fuel and missiles only on your ready launch aIircraft; say 700 kilograms of missiles and 4400 kilograms of fuel (enough for 90 minutes in the F-35 B). Those alert 5 jets would VTOL straight up in a four flight from a area that would be cleared for a vertical takeoff for the downblast  would be like that seen from four rockets taking off together if its the F-35 B.. (A Harrier tactic pioneered by the British at the Falklands.) This is an EXTREMELY dangerous evolution, but carrier warfare has never been safe. A Wasp could put up four birds in 15-30 seconds that way. Outbound 30 minutes to intercept, 15 to fight and then return on fumes. 
 
If  things ever get that bad that you have to fight that way, then someone has royally screwed up the operation.
 
You can count on that someone, who bungled into such a situation to be as incredibly stupid as some of the amateurs who talk about rolling STOVL takeoffs from a pitching LHA deck, having never seen the traffic around ANY flight deck in their lives.     
 
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HR    McKeff   5/28/2015 2:45:17 PM
I am sure you can post a link about all this... what am I saying? It is probably all McKeff's fiction and his opinions... not a grain of fact.
 
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jessmo_24       5/28/2015 7:23:42 PM
http://m.aviationweek.com/blog/videos-f-35b-operational-test-trials Keff not to disagree, but in this new av week vid you have 1 plane at the 400 position while another safely land behind. Does this indicate you could launch 2 F-35s at least in tandem?
 
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keffler25       5/28/2015 9:27:48 PM
Stuff it, troll.

 
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keffler25       5/28/2015 9:46:04 PM
The rolling take off runs are strictly for the Queen Elizabeths. Those are 150 meter ski ramp runs. US LHDs would launch singles and it would take the whole damned deck. No safe parkway at all when that is done. 
 
I looked at your videos and I point out some things.
 
1. The deck takeoff run is bare. Not unexpected, as the blast from an F-35 is fearsome. I said it would take the whole takeoff run and apparently the complete bareness of the flight deck emphasizes this point reather well.
2. The ;landing G-35 had to land on before the launching G-35 could do its rill-out. OI noticed that it went to the lee side (wind shadow) of the island and did not sit in line of turbulence when the spotted F-35 began its roll out.
3. One at a time, CLEAN and loaded LIGHT was what I saw. Does that answer your questions about the rolling short take offs you cited?
 
It actually confirms what I told you. Incidentally those were IDEAL conditions. This is what NORMAL looks like.      .   
One at a time. HARRIERS, clear runs. Like I described.    
 
http://m.aviationweek.com/blog/videos-f-35b-operational-test-trials

Keff not to disagree, but in this new av week vid you have 1 plane at the
400 position while another safely land behind.
Does this indicate you could launch 2 F-35s at least in tandem?

 
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HR    jessmo   5/29/2015 12:53:35 PM
You need to look at how quickly they can launch which is about every two to three minutes... so in ten minutes you can have those four airplanes in the air. Now... what I have read in blogs from pilots is that the F-35 covers so much airspace with its sensors that they do not even see their wingman most of the time so that four aircraft launch would patrol an enormity of air space as well as intercept almost anyone coming at the carrier from any direction.
 
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keffler25       5/29/2015 1:39:40 PM
Once every 40 seconds, Jessmo. You can actually TIME it in your videos and mine.  I noticed the troll suddenly shut up about other aspects of flight deck operations. Lol.
 
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