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Subject: F-35 news thread III
jessmo_24    1/12/2011 7:23:24 AM
BF-2s 1st vertical landing. *ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS3ngl1GcaI&feature=player_embedded NAVAIRSYSCOM 10 Jan 2011 "F-35B test aircraft BF-2 accomplishes its first vertical landing and conversion back to normal flight mode at Naval Air Station Patuxent River, Maryland. The integrated test team is testing both the STOVL and carrier variants of the F-35 for delivery to the fleet. Video courtesy Lockheed Martin."
 
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HR    JFKY   4/30/2015 3:08:43 PM
If we choose a very expensive two engine stealth aircraft we will not be able to afford anything close to the numbers of F-35s that we are planning to buy now. And two engines can't do the vertical landing. It is a non starter from a conceptual point of view. During WW2 the USA used to shoot down German jet aircrafts as they where taking off from their runways... we had so many more aircrafts that we could afford to do that. In war numbers are very important. The biggest problem of our F-35 have been all these delays... forcing the Navy to buy F-18 when it should be buying F-35. I am just glad that the Marines decided to fly their F-35 even if with restrictions because buying more F-18 would have been a step back.
 
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keffler25       4/30/2015 4:17:29 PM
The original YF-23 config was one pilot and a flight assist computer.    
 
I would ask Keffler why s/he thinks Chinese Pilots are good?  Not disputing it, BUT China doesn't have a history of successful A2A combat...it's a Marxist "Lie to Please" System...so training may or may not reflect anything useful....& the last Marxist Lie to Please Air Force, The Red Air Force stank, on ice, when it came to A2A, & probably A2G too....  So I would wonder what makes the Chinese Air Force fundamentally different from the Red Air Force...considering their parent political situations & the fact that they fly the same aircraft technologies...meaning training is costly in terms of system longevity, hence little training....or any useful training.
Hi and lo Yoyo and energy bleed tactics were invented by the Chinese Nationalist air force and adopted by the US Air Force post Korea after communist pilots (ex Nationalists) showed our pilots how those tactics worked to our rue.   
 
Serious question, not meant to attack...but I do find that it is far easier to believe the Chinese are no better than the Soviets than to believe that they have decent pilots...not coming from either a military or political tradition of aviation excellence.
 
History teaches. Go look at Air Combat, Scramble and a few other sources to verify for yourself. Rather decent air force despite their crap equipment.      
 
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jessmo_24    What Irans S-300 means to the gulf   5/2/2015 12:35:30 AM
The F-35 is going to be sold to GCC countries sooner or later IMO, and this develoment may speed up the process.


https://www.rusi.org/publications/defen ... UQ9U85pcTM


Visualising the Threat

To understand better what the S-300 sale might mean for regional security – and why it is that the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia views the potential Russian sale in such a threatening light – it is useful to highlight four potential Iranian deployment points for the missiles, and discuss their potential implications.

As can be seen from the diagram, sites based in Abadan, Lavan Island, Abu Musa and Sirik significantly change the strategic environment, altering threat levels for both military and civilian aircraft alike. A site based in the vicinity of Abadan offers total coverage over Kuwait City as well as the Ali Al-Salem and Ahmad Al-Jaber airbases. Additionally, popular air corridors used by international carriers through the Gulf could be effectively closed should Iran so wish. Rerouting European flights over Saudi Arabia might provide an answer to this conundrum, but Indian Ocean routes would be far more heavily affected.

Placing missiles on Lavan Island would provide penetrative coverage over Qatar’s north dome gas field and again pose significant threats to civilian airliners using the Gulf as a thoroughfare. Furthermore, linking up with sites on Abu Musa would afford double coverage of strategically important Iranian footholds deep into the Gulf, which would strengthen Iran’s ability to operate in the Gulf under air cover.
More at links:
 
 
 
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jessmo_24    What Irans S-300 means to the gulf   5/2/2015 12:54:11 AM
 
I think this is the most irresponsible weapon sale the Russians have ever made. Here is what I see happening.
 
1. Israel plays an eye for an eye, and sells ukraine advanced weapons I.E. Iron dome davids shield ect.
 
2. F-35 sales go through the roof.
 
3. Total arms sales for the Gulf go through the roof. Specifically cruise missile sales, and stealth fighter sales.
 
The Russians with this sale have boosted the military industrial complex far greater than, anything any lobbiest could have ever done. Thanks Putin
 
 
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keffler25       5/2/2015 12:34:50 PM
keffler25       5/2/2015 11:51:11 AM
Hmm.
 
I suppose a lesson in how RADAR works in an IADS system is in order.
 
One of the reasons that US (and French) battlefield mobile SAMs are relatively short ranged compared to their Russian counterparts is because of the concept of SLANT range. The concept is simple enough. Radars useful for detecting objects over the horizon cannot range by Doppler. (physics) Radars useful for engaging aircraft and missiles (shorter wavelengthed) cannot bounce off the ionosphere charge mirror. (Too energetic, pass right through that ozone layer like it was nothing straight into space. So when you factor in the curvature of the Earth and the way radar beams (light) seem to travel in straight lines in azimuth compared to it, you see why attack planes and cruise missiles fly LOW to the ground just before they come into the horizon range of enemy radars.
 
Why build a missile that out-flies its engagement radar coverage? Ask the Russians. They are the ones dumb enough to do it.
 
[cont.]     
 
Can't use S-300 missiles if there's no radar. QED.    
 
And when you consider the effects of deliberate jamming (blanking) it gets worse. The US HAS S-300 systems to examine (Thank you, Russia) so it very well knows how to cripple the radars... ALL of them.   
 
S-400 and S-500 systems are another matter. Here the Russians are learning (short ranged defensive missiles to protect the radars) , but you still have the same curvature of the Earth and the myopia in the tracking radars due to slant to overcome.
 
Now do you see why the USAF insists that air defense is a fighter based problem and profile? Look down SHOOT down at long range.     
 
 
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jessmo_24       5/2/2015 4:04:33 PM
I get it. My concern is the propaganda concern, and the ability to protect mass gun boat swarms and mini subs from the things that hunt them. This threat cant be dealt with by normal 4th gen tactics. How do you get the SHORADS with a sam umbrella like this?
 
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keffler25       5/3/2015 9:42:20 PM
Kill the radars. 
 
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jessmo_24       5/4/2015 12:22:01 PM

Kill the radars. 

Exactly. Exspect cruise missile, and F-35 sales through the roof.
 
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keffler25       5/4/2015 11:27:22 PM
You do know that you can kill a radar by burning it out with a radiated signal?
 
 
 
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jessmo_24       5/5/2015 12:57:43 AM
So F-18 Growlers? will obama sell the Arabs this?
 
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