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Subject: F-35B finally hovers!
jessmo_24    3/17/2010 5:52:17 PM
Let the adventure begin: (text from above URL) "STOVL F-35B Hovers for First Time Posted by Graham Warwick at 3/17/2010 11:46 AM CDT This just in from NAS Patuxent River - the first STOVL F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, aircraft BF-1, completed its first hover today (March 17). With the lift system engaged, the aircraft slowed from 150 kt to zero airspeed and hovered at 150ft for 2 minutes, moving up and down and left and right to check hover control. BF-1 then continued to to a short landing. A successful hover clears the way for the F-35's first vertical landing." http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defense/index.jsp?plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3A27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post%3A3d82d757-8ad1-40ee-8d12-f815c1ae1535
 
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FJV       3/19/2010 11:43:41 AM
The F-35 uses a different method to hover when compared to the Harrier.
 
 
 
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jessmo_24       3/19/2010 12:13:52 PM

What I meant to sat was that we got our 1st verticle landing, and not just a hover.

 
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Nichevo    Dear FS, BW et cie.,   3/19/2010 1:19:54 PM
ht*p://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-cM3wPpCPw&feature=player_embedded
 
h*tp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_byIiJffIU
 
You cannot do that.
 
Nyah, nyahh.
 
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FJV    Let's agree to not make posts like that again.   3/19/2010 3:46:41 PM
Hmmm....
http://www.youtube.com/v/YRwjADnTb5w&hl=en_GB&fs=1&"> http://www.youtube.com/v/YRwjADnTb5w&hl=en_GB&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385">
 
 
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jessmo_24       3/22/2010 12:30:19 AM
 
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DarthAmerica    European Technology   3/22/2010 12:47:42 AM
I know things get very hotly debated between certain posters here. However, lets consider where France, Germany and the U.K. have come from considering the utter devastation the two world wars caused. It's only because of US and Soviet subjugation following WW II that Europe took a more passive role militarily speaking. WIth the demise of the Soviet Union and economic crisis, European nations lack the motivation as well as the political cohesion to develop to their full potential. Make no mistake, if they did, they are capable of very incredible achievements and Dassault is one hell of a design house. As much as we dog the Rafale here, it is still a remarkable warplane. It is because of European military potential that one of the USA highest geopolitical priorities is to keep Europe from ever consolidating it's military or political power under a unified flag. Do not underestimate them. In the past that's caused 10's of millions of deaths...


FJV that was an awesome video BTW.


-DA 
 
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Nichevo    Yes   3/22/2010 9:45:39 AM
Yes, it was remarkable.  I must admit the French can certainly build a VTOL airplane if they want to.  Various uncharitable remarks occurred to me but none of them were really choice and I suppress them. http://www.strategypage.com/CuteSoft_Client/CuteEditor/Images/emangel.gif" align="absmiddle" border="0" alt="" />  I suppose I will have to google or wiki it to learn more about this craft.
 
DA, WTF do you mean US subjugation of Europe?  Is that your idea of fair-mindedness and Olympian detachment?  I'm trying to picture what US subjugation of Europe would really look like as compared to say '56 Hungary or '68 Czechoslovakia, or the Wall, or bread lines, or any of it.  I'm not going to go off and call you a traitor or anything, but you say this kind of thing and I really have to wonder why you are here.
 
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Phaid       3/22/2010 11:48:33 AM
Realistically, the Balzac V / Mirage IIIV concept was a total failure.  They relied on 8 (eight!) separate lift engines in addition to the main engine.  Both were test pilot killers and neither ever succeeded in going supersonic and using vertical takeoff in the same flight.  It was a totally broken idea from the start, the number of critical failure points, maintenance requirements, weight and fuel space taken up by the engines was completely impractical.
 
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Hamilcar       3/22/2010 12:50:17 PM

Realistically, the Balzac V / Mirage IIIV concept was a total failure.  They relied on 8 (eight!) separate lift engines in addition to the main engine.  Both were test pilot killers and neither ever succeeded in going supersonic and using vertical takeoff in the same flight.  It was a totally broken idea from the start, the number of critical failure points, maintenance requirements, weight and fuel space taken up by the engines was completely impractical.

It was FRENCH-over complex and based on paper theory.
 
THIS was successful.
 
http://www.youtube.com/v/hIWVdpsFLy8&hl=en_US&fs=1&"> http://www.youtube.com/v/hIWVdpsFLy8&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385">
 
 
It was British and it was SIMPLE. The British looked at the Americans and the French and said to themselves  why not divert and gate the thrust of a single jet engine through vernier ducts and directional nozzles like you do with a rocket motor?
 
Ductwork and thrust  diverters are easier to manage than a complex system of fans and multiple jet engines.
 
Wrong choices and overcomplexification kill you  .
 
 
That is what makes Arianne  so untypically French.
 They kept it simple
 
 
 
 
 
 
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RedParadize       3/22/2010 1:40:03 PM
DA:
"I know things get very hotly debated between certain posters here. However, lets consider where France, Germany and the U.K. have come from considering the utter devastation the two world wars caused. It's only because of US and Soviet subjugation following WW II that Europe took a more passive role militarily speaking. WIth the demise of the Soviet Union and economic crisis, European nations lack the motivation as well as the political cohesion to develop to their full potential. Make no mistake, if they did, they are capable of very incredible achievements and Dassault is one hell of a design house. As much as we dog the Rafale here, it is still a remarkable warplane. It is because of European military potential that one of the USA highest geopolitical priorities is to keep Europe from ever consolidating it's military or political power under a unified flag. Do not underestimate them. In the past that's caused 10's of millions of deaths..."


Nicely explain DA, I agree with you for the most of it. I have to say that for me comment like that are more than welcome here, It also might have the side effect of calming some people around here.

 
Hamilcar:
"It was FRENCH-over complex and based on paper theory."
 
Don't be so hard Hamilcar. Correct me if i am wrong but the success of the mirage III/5  was mostly related to its simplicity. Note that over complex stuff is not exclusive to French and that most of the stuff usually start as "paper theory".

 
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