Rafale: active stealth, BVR passive shooting, fully networked

Why would the RAF counter the story

There is no press relase just some blog entry (in french) - with no official scource- chances are the RAF hasnt even heard about the claims.

 

 

Here we go again , some begin to throw their toys out of the pram ...

 

Based on facts , what the Dassault turkey can do in AtoA ? Let 's see :

 

In BVR , the turkey has proved itself superior to : Tornado ADV , F5 Tigers , Mig-29 , Harrier , Hornet , M2000 (all series) , F-15C and K , F-16 (all series) , SH , SU-30 and very recently Typhoon .

 

In WVR , the turkey has proved itself superior to everybody bare the F-22 and runs equal with the Typhoon .

I 'd like to have such turkey for X-mas :-)

Regarding the gun fight simulation with the F-22 , I said that the Rafale holds the Raptor 5 times out of 6 but it might could have been the opposite . In fact , we don 't know what happened exactly , maybe it is the F-22 who survived the encounter with the Rafale and managed to get a lucky shot . We don 't know yet .

 

Hamilcar , I don 't know if what you say is fan-boy but I know that is it outrageous lies .

Bluewings,

 

I am simply aghast at what you write.

 

Why is it so important to you that RAFALE is the 2nd best?

 

It's by no means empirically proven, people have explained, and very politely in most instances that DACT is not a platform vs platform "no holds barred" encounter, but a rules-based, training exercise where certain situations are played out.

 

Without knowing what those are it means ZILCH

 

and the SOURCE is QUESTIONABLE, it's exactly as the above poster noted.

 

Not to MENTION the VAST QUANTITY OF SOURCE DATA that points to the rafale struggling to compete with systems that fly a lot HIGHER, FASTER, with BETTER RADARS, LONGER-RANGE Missiles.

 

It's a GOOD plane, if people just agree to say that will you stop insisting on making these endless ranking scenarios.

 

In AIR-SUPERIORITY mode, the Rafale is FAR FROM SECOND BEST because of the limitations above, it isn't "second to the raptor" in the categories you cite, and the reason is that you are UNQUALIFIED to interpret the source data, you CHERRYPICK things that confirm your point of view and EXAGGERATE claims based on your LIMITED UNDERSTANDING as an AMATEUR. 

 

 

YOU ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO EVALUATE PLATFORMS!!!! because you don't understand, it is hard for you to put things like "spectra" in to context. The endless reasons that the professionals here have given you do not sink in because you don't understand basic concepts, it's much like teaching evolution to an evangelical "new earther", they'll only ever believe the evidence, however flakey, however biased, unreliable, unverified it is. That is called PROPOGANDA, you only listen to the sources that support your side of the argument, and when you do you wildly exaggerate.

 

And all of this has been said to you so many times that I wonder how you manage to ignore it - I'm never here trying to trumpet a particular platform, I am British, I like the typhoon-ish, but I don't need to pretend that it's the "best at everything" your obsession with trying to promote the idea of the rafale as a superjet are so utterly childish, it's not how the real world works, in SOME situations some platforms perform better than others, your ASSERTION that the rafale beats the platforms you mentioned in BVR are absolutely false in most instances.

 

 

Shame on you, I can't believe you actually believe what you write.

Here we don't go again, Professuional opinions ois backed by purchase and use.

Several famous models.

Fleet missile defense.

 

It isn't the French that dominate. AEGIS/ STANDARD. Even the UK is sniffing around to replace ASTER (ESSM) and they are politically locked into that crap ASTER missile.

 

Aircraft. I already showed you who trained whom (JTFEXs yearly ongoing) while your carrier was laid up. Part of that syllabus was defense of fleet exercises, where French Marine pilots had to play CAP against US Navy Super Hornets that "simulated" attackers. Then it was the Rafales' turn to "simulate" as attackers. The results were UGLY for the French. 

 

Not that I care about truck drivers, but those were NOT jousts. They were NAVAL fleet exercises. The submarine portion (Salvatore Tadoro got past the Amythyst at one point and the USS Springfield was also snookered, by BOTH of them) was just as UGLY. Nobody was too happy except the RN. Lots of lessons learned.    

 

Brilliant, Reactive, that was very well said.  Kudos to the others who are trying to counter the bullsh!t from BW and FS.

 

To Reactive, Alexd, warpig and others...

1) Because it is important for France to propose a top fighter to extend its influence and support its onw industry which back its political independance.

2) And because it is absolute reality.

 

Would you accept so uniformed and biased critics on F22? or an other US weapon systems?

At this level it is pure bashing which ignore any technical public writing whatever american, british, brasilian or french.

French are really shocked by the kind of biased critics such on this forum.

We have links on decent documents and articles to prove our claims while Rafale bashers have none except forum comments by amateurs.

 

BW may just have information he get by internet to back his belief, but other have insights and whatever Dassault or french armed force executives, they are all persuaded that Rafale F3 (F3 is important since previous batch did not have the mature weapon system of F3) is today second best in air to air and above Typhoon.

And the only one to be able to fight F22 or a future stealth equivalent with a minimal chance.

You simply do not accept that "cheese surrender monkeys" can get different technical approach (especially of survivability and weapon system) and can produce one of the world top fighter which could be a decent opponent to US best fighters.

You simply don't accept we can be on close parity of US in passive systems like ECM or optronic.

The futur will establish our claims.

Reactive :

You jump to fast to conclusions, you don't know the rules of engagement..

Did the typhoons have pirates?