I would like to see it happen, but it will probably only be a showcase of the 3 fighters.

 

I don't think its in interest of these 3 company/country to do that kind of contest. They have more to lose than what the could gain.

 

Truly, Lockheed Martin have nothing to gain, the raptor is not for sale (yet) and is already seen as be the best, why jeopardize all that? Even if its unlikely, a single lost for the F-22 raptor would have a catastrophic effect on the current F-35 program. and a success probably wont boost the f-35 sale. An i am not talking about pressious information that could be gain from such engagement...

 

 

It is an interop exercise simulating a large scale air battle, just like TLP and Red Flag.  I'm sure people are going to hot dog around in DACT, scheduled or not, but that's not the point of going there.

FS, you're not seriously talking about shooting missiles at other aircraft during a training exercise, are you?

 

Tell you what--let me shoot you with a bullet.  Don't worry; it probably won't hit and if it does, you'll probably survive...right?

 

(You are joking, I hope.)

 

Against an F-22 the Typhoon and Rafale only have to do better than expected to come out smiling, previously contested rumours have claimed the Typhoon achieved this in the US, despite coming off worse (I use the word 'contested' to avoid this starting another long 'discussion'!). The F22 HAS to do as advertised, or it will be considered a bad result.

 

If either can get within and detect the F-22 within missile range (~65miles for the AMRAAM) without being blown out of the sky, then this will be seen very much as a victory for these aircraft, and, as stated by others, bring serious concerns for the F-35 and F-22.

 

As for Rafale vs Typhoon, think it does exactly what it says on the tin!

 

 

If either can get within and detect the F-22 within missile range (~65miles for the AMRAAM) without being blown out of the sky, then this will be seen very much as a victory for these aircraft, and, as stated by others, bring serious concerns for the F-35 and F-22.

First advertised AMRAAM (or Mica or SAM missiles etc.) range are against an non manoeuvering target.Real shooting range against a manoeuvering fighter is more about 30 to 40 miles (see AMRAAM combat report).

But the problem is to accept a simulated combat in realistic situation.Which mean to use war mode for radar and ECM and I think it is difficult for USA and French to accept it, since both aircrafts have a very potent ESM/RWR suit and will register all spectrum caracteristics of each other (not to mention ELINT planes which could be not far away).

Normally using those modes is prohibited during DACT even with allies.

I wonder if USA don't want simulated combat between F22 and Eurofighter (not part of UAE competition) then Eurofighter and Rafale.

However I think that french should accept it to prove the Rafale mayve using some downgraded or specially adapted ECCM or ECM to preserve real war modes.

 

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I'm half serious.If I where a pilot with a less than 10% possibility to be killed and earning few millions $(and a medal to add), I would take the risk and the challenge.

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I wonder if UAE (or USA) want simulated combat between F22 and Eurofighter (not part of UAE competition) then Eurofighter and Rafale. So no direct competition between F22 and Rafale.

Why not ?

Lets face it theres a few posters on this forum who are shot down so often that actually being in a dog fight should hold no fear for them

It's not going to matter if it's 60 miles or 30 miles FS. The Rafail is not going to see the Raptor OR be able to get a lock on it if it did. Everyone is familiar with the UK pilot who said he had the F22 clearly in sight visually BUT still could NOT get a lock on it. How many *single* digit miles do you think he was away from the Raptor? Then there is this from a Red Flag back in 05 or 06.

I would think if the Raptor got close enough for a gun kill without being picked up on RADAR that would certainly be WAY closer then any 30 miles? The US knows full well what they got in the F22 and all it can do. We do NOT have to prove it to France or anyone seeing how we are NOT selling it. The more people that know exactly what and therefore possibly *how* the F22 does something, the more people that could then work on more specific ways to defeat what it can do. So what on earth would be the purpose of showing what it can actually do to anyone, even our allies? Not one thing good can come from it, but quiet possibly something extremely bad could. Showing anyone what and how the F22 actually does it's killing simply for the sake of bragging rights would be silly beyond comprehension and possibly deadly to some US pilot in the future.

 

Beazz