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Subject: UK Pilot flight test the Rafale F3
Bluewings12    11/9/2009 1:57:05 PM
By Peter Collins : Chapter 1 , the aircraft : "Most advanced Allied air forces now have operational fleets of fourth-generation fighters (defined by attributes such as being fly-by-wire, highly unstable, highly agile, net-centric, multi-weapon and multi-role assets). These Western types include the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, Dassault Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon and Saab Gripen NG. The Boeing F-15E and Lockheed Martin F-16 have an older heritage, but their latest upgrades give them similar multi-role mission capabilities. Of the above group, only the Super Hornet and Rafale M are capable of aircraft-carrier operations. As these fourth-generation fighters' weapons, sensor systems and net-centric capabilities mature, the likelihood of export orders for such an operationally proven package becomes much more realistic. On behalf of Flight International, I became the first UK test pilot to evaluate the Rafale in its current F3 production standard, applicable to aircraft for both French air force and French navy frontline squadrons. The "proof-of-concept" Rafale A first flew in 1986 as an aerodynamic study, leading to the programme's formal launch two years later. The slightly smaller single-seat Rafale C01 and two-seat B01 for the French air force and single-seat M01 and M02 prototypes for the navy flew from 1991. The first production-standard Rafale flew in 1998, and entered service with the navy's 12F squadron at Landivisiau in 2004 in the F1 (air-to-air) standard. Deliveries of the air force's B- and C-model aircraft started in 2006 in the F2 standard, dubbed "omnirole" by Dassault. Since 2008, all Rafales have been delivered in the F3 standard, which adds reconnaissance pod integration and MBDA's ASMP-A nuclear weapon capability. All aircraft delivered in earlier production standards will be brought up to the F3 configuration over the next two years. The French forces plan to purchase 294 Rafales: 234 for the air force and 60 for the navy. Their Rafales are set to replace seven legacy fighter types, and will remain as France's principal combat aircraft until at least 2040. To date, about 70 Rafales have been delivered, with a current production rate of 12 a year. Rafale components and airframe sections are built at various Dassault facilities across France and assembled near Bordeaux, but maintained in design and engineering configuration "lockstep" using the virtual reality, Dassault-patented Catia database also used on the company's Falcon 7X business jet. Rafale software upgrades are scheduled to take place every two years, a complete set of new-generation sensors is set for 2012 and a full mid-life upgrade is planned for 2020 SUPERB PERFORMANCE The Rafale was always designed as an aircraft capable of any air-to-ground, reconnaissance or nuclear strike mission, but retaining superb air-to-air performance and capabilities. Air force and navy examples have made three fully operational deployments to Afghanistan since 2005, giving the French forces unparalleled combat and logistical experience. The commitments have also proved the aircraft's net-centric capabilities within the co-ordination required by coalition air forces and the command and control environment when delivering air support services to ground forces. Six Rafale Ms recently carried out a major joint exercise with the US Navy from the deck of the Nimitz-class aircraft carrier the USS Theodore Roosevelt. The air force's B/C fighters have 80% commonality with the navy's Rafale M model, the main differences being the latter's navalised landing gear, arrestor hook and some fuselage longitudinal strengthening. Overall, the M is about 300kg (661lb) heavier than the B, and has 13 hardpoints, against the 14 found on air force examples. Dassault describes the Rafale as omnirole rather than multirole. This is derived from the wide variety of air-to-ground and air-to-air weapons, sensor pods and fuel tank combinations it can carry; the optimisation of aircraft materials and construction; and the full authority digital FBW controlling a highly agile (very aerodynamically unstable) platform. This also gives the aircraft a massive centre of gravity range and allows for a huge combination of different mission stores to be carried, including the asymmetric loading of heavy stores, both laterally and longitudinally. Other attributes include the wide range of smart and discrete sensors developed for the aircraft, and the way that the vast array of received information is "data fused" by a powerful central computer to reduce pilot workload when presented in the head-down, head-level and head-up displays. The Rafale is designed for day or night covert low-level penetration, and can carry a maximum of 9.5t of external ordinance, equal to the much larger F-15E. With a basic empty weight of 10.3t, an internal fuel capacity of 4.7t and a maximum take-off weight of 24.5t, the Rafale can lift 140% of additional lo
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Reactive       2/12/2011 12:30:18 PM
Damn right it's worth saving - some of the garbage that BW came up with throughout this thread, and most especially on the last few pages is hilarious.
The part that really made me laugh was when someone characterised BW's responses as "word salad"..Brilliant! 

I've love to know what the impartial and not-french Brad Piff thinks about this IDIOT bluewings and his "technical analysis" on the last two pages ; )
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45-Shooter       3/31/2011 9:58:48 PM

6. Note that the aircraft is actually firmly declared to be 4th generation and average? 

Note that he actually declared F-15, F-16 etc. not to be in that class.

Just because it is "Declaired" a 4th Gen fighter does not make it so! The F-16, F-15 and F-18 are ALL more cappable planes with supirior real world performance than the Rafale! How many of the five wet hard points are sterilised to cary the bombs required for a A2G Mission with four Mk-84s, what is the range then? What is the aero-dynamic performance when it has as many Drop Tanks as required to match F/A-18E/F, or ANY F-15 clean, OR what about the later two with the 600 Gallon CL tank with witch they are both still able to exceed Mach ONE! Right! The Rafale is a pig and can not compete with the EF-2000, let alone the larger American types that have one-hundred times more Avionics power, twice the range with same bomb loads and smaller RCSs!!!

8. Mirage 2000 picked out of the sky at 30 n. miles? Just how bad is that RBE2 radar?  

Doesn't mean it couldn' have detected/tracked it earlier.

Doesn't mean it could find it at shorter range and better aspect angles either!

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RedParadize       3/31/2011 11:45:39 PM

Way too much good stuff in this thread to let it disappear.  Plus, the two trolls are endlessly entertaining.
I don't think Strategypage should be entertaining, and I surely don't think this is entertaining. If you ask me, its whats killing this website. We don't have anything else to talk about?
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warpig       4/1/2011 3:13:38 AM
A year from now when I bump this thread again, I'll be sure to post a warning to you, RP, to wave you off from the danger of potentially being not-entertained.
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