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Subject: Lockheed Martin improves F-35 bid for Korean F-X III, blasts KFX program as waste of money
SlowMan    10/21/2009 12:56:36 PM
< http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_channel.jsp?channel=defense&id=news/KOREA102109.xml > Lockheed Martin is offering to outsource its own work share of JSF program to Korean companies as offset if Korean DoD selects F-35 for F-X III competition. At the same time, KFX program is blasted as being poor value for money. However, F-35 selection is even less likely based on what's revealed. Both F-X III fighter and KFX are required to carry and launch the next-generation indigenous supersonic antiship missile currently under development, based on the licensed Russian Yakhont missile tech and is expected to weigh around the same as Yahkhont/Brahmos. Currently only F-15K is able to carry this 2.5~3 ton missile, and F-35 may not be able to operate this one along with 2.2 ton GBU-28 bunker buster also being bought in large quantity by Korean air force to deal with North Korean underground facility. You have a similar case with Indian MRCA. Indian air force wants to operate its Brahmos missile from the winner of MRCA competition, which favors Mig-35 selection over smaller rivals.
 
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warpig       10/29/2009 5:53:34 PM
But then again, neither is F-35's. Thus F-35 is considered to be non-stealth aircraft by JASDF and ROKAF because it can be detected by their own AWACS at a sufficient range, and also by the other's AWACS.



Oh, good grief, how absurd.  That may very well be what the racists over at "2ch and various mega forums" believe, but it's still absurd.  There is nothing inherent to the radar on the E-3, E-2, or KJ-2000 for that matter, that renders the F-35 any less LO than does any of the many ground-based early warning radars with similar characteristics.  To even begin to notice any significant advantage to using lower frequencies, for example, requires operating at frequencies far below L-Band.
 
 
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SlowMan       10/29/2009 6:07:06 PM
@ warpig
 
> There is nothing inherent to the radar on the E-3, E-2, or KJ-2000 for that matter, that renders the F-35 any less LO than does any of the many ground-based early warning radars with similar characteristics.
 
The US will not export something that cannot be detected by its own AWACS radars. Think about why F-22 is not exportable while F-35 is.
 
How is export-grade F-35 supposed to avoid detection when there are AWACS radars, ballistic missile detection radars, and Aegis radars all scanning for it?
 

 
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gf0012-aust       10/30/2009 1:45:16 AM


The US will not export something that cannot be detected by its own AWACS radars. Think about why F-22 is not exportable while F-35 is.

damn, so those RAF and RAAF pilots who went up against them didn't see them on radar after all....  who'd have thought that those F-15's used by the exchange pilots had better radar than an awacs...?  very impressive.

How is export-grade F-35 supposed to avoid detection when there are AWACS radars, ballistic missile detection radars, and Aegis radars all scanning for it?

ah yes, the continued trolling about export JSF's, so it must be the non 8.3's who are enquiring about something different.  all those releases by Heinz must be BS..  you just can't trust the USAF to tell the truth after all....
rinse wash repeat
 





 
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SlowMan       10/30/2009 10:06:18 AM
@ gf0012-aust

> damn, so those RAF and RAAF pilots who went up against them didn't see them on radar after all....  who'd have thought that those F-15's used by the exchange pilots had better radar than an awacs...?  very impressive.

What are you talking about?

>  ah yes, the continued trolling about export JSF's, so it must be the non 8.3's who are enquiring about something different.

"Export grade F-35 must be detectable by US AWACS" rule applies to JSF partner nations as well.
 
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StevoJH       10/30/2009 10:14:24 AM

@ gf0012-aust



> damn, so those RAF and RAAF pilots who went up against them didn't see them on radar after all....  who'd have thought that those F-15's used by the exchange pilots had better radar than an awacs...?  very impressive.



What are you talking about?



>  ah yes, the continued trolling about export JSF's, so it must be the non 8.3's who are enquiring about something different.



"Export grade F-35 must be detectable by US AWACS" rule applies to JSF partner nations as well.

Ok, I know I said I wouldn't post here again, but.
 
 
THERE IS NO EXPORT VERSION OF THE F-35!!
 
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SlowMan       10/30/2009 10:47:17 AM
@ StevoJH 

> THERE IS NO EXPORT VERSION OF THE F-35!!

What? F-35 has been banned from export just like F-22? What are you smoking?
 
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StevoJH       10/30/2009 11:24:54 AM

@ StevoJH 



> THERE IS NO EXPORT VERSION OF THE F-35!!



What? F-35 has been banned from export just like F-22? What are you smoking?

RAAF/ RCAF/RNAF etc F-35 = Identical to USAF F-35.
 
Therefore, no downgraded "export variant"
 
clear enough? ;)
 
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SlowMan       10/30/2009 11:39:10 AM
@ StevoJH
 
>RAAF/ RCAF/RNAF etc F-35 = Identical to USAF F-35. Therefore, no downgraded "export variant"
 
What about the other guys?
 
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FJV    Downgraded "export variant"   10/30/2009 2:22:33 PM
All the F35's are the same, however if the US puts all the interesting stuff in pods that are not sold for export, then don't you get the same result as a downgraded "export variant"?
 
The US gets a better F-35, than the rest, because they have the additional pods and the rest doesn't?
 
PS
Of course I would be more interested in designing my own pods, than using US stuff.
 
 
 
 
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sentinel28a       10/30/2009 2:29:32 PM
Start hanging pods off the F-35, and bye bye stealth.  Besides, isn't the stealth features of the F-35 primarily by design?  What, are we changing the whole aircraft around for export now?
 
I thought I'd pass on that on the forums I belong to, The Melancholy of  Haruhi Suzumiya is an awesome anime series...don't care for it much myself.  Oh, and on Fark, a number of people are claiming that 9/11 was an inside job and that Cheney is plotting to overthrow Obama.  Must be true...I read it on a forum.
 
Actually, it doesn't surprise me that there were Chinese and Koreans who were hoping the Kurama went down with all hands.  We commonly refer to those people as "trolls."
 
 
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