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Subject: Dassault VP : Rafale's successor will join Eurofighter Consortium-like Euro Consortium.
SlowMan    10/19/2009 4:07:06 PM
New York Times article < http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/20/business/global/20jets.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2 > "Dassault appears to be thinking along the same lines. Eric Trappier, executive vice president at Dassault Aviation, said that Rafale’s “successor will probably be designed through a European cooperation, from 2025.” " So this is the end of all-French fighter aircraft.
 
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Das Kardinal       1/19/2011 5:50:50 AM

This isn't fully relevant, but its kinda funny so here goes:

 

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French Air Force in Afghanistan: 


  • among others:

    • 3 Mirage F1 CR, since 20 May 2009. They relieved three Rafale that were present from 2007[24].




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I was under the impression the Rafale was a good bomb truck so why didn't they relieve the 3 Rafales with others? Lack of spare parts? The Mirage is just better?

Because the F1 CR pilots want their share of the fun too ? And the planes are there so why not use them if they're useful ? You know, simple, sensible real-world reasons, unlike your simpleton biased "logic". A Predator drone does the job of dropping bombs and missiles on taleban positions just fine (and probably cheaper), does it mean a Predator drone is better than an F-15/B52/F-16...?
 
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heraldabc    That depends on the parts supply    1/19/2011 5:55:38 AM




This isn't fully relevant, but its kinda funny so here goes:



 



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French Air Force in Afghanistan: 






  • among others:





    • 3 Mirage F1 CR, since 20 May 2009. They relieved three Rafale that were present from 2007[24].












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I was under the impression the Rafale was a good bomb truck so why didn't they relieve the 3 Rafales with others? Lack of spare parts? The Mirage is just better?




Because the F1 CR pilots want their share of the fun too ? And the planes are there so why not use them if they're useful ? You know, simple, sensible real-world reasons, unlike your simpleton biased "logic". A Predator drone does the job of dropping bombs and missiles on taleban positions just fine (and probably cheaper), does it mean a Predator drone is better than an F-15/B52/F-16...?

 
the mission profile,  the efficacy as well as the Politics, DK.
 
H
 
 
 
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cwDeici       1/19/2011 5:48:42 PM

Because the F1 CR pilots want their share of the fun too ? A Predator drone does the job of dropping bombs and missiles on taleban positions just fine (and probably cheaper), does it mean a Predator drone is better than an F-15/B52/F-16...?
If you don't know the answer then it is rather sad to see you default to personal attacks.
Childish insults aside...
Your reason makes no sense. Foreign deployments are not generally based around whether personnel desire active duty or not. You come off as not knowing the answer and simply rattling off streams of thoughts to build around your intent to insult.
The only place that you make any sense is that it is cheaper, which makes perfect sense with what I mentioned, that they're short on spare parts for the Rafale which are exceedingly expensive due to the small base of required production.
 
As for the other planes you mentioned, there are plenty of those in Afghanistan. And Predators as you should know do have many qualities that in specific instances make them more suitable for particular operations than expensive warplanes.
 
The fact is you don't like that I also mentioned, while asking this question of posters, that I thought it was funny (which indeed it is considering logistics is hampering it even in the roles it is good at ^^)..
You should avoid making snappy, airheaded statements to aim at personal offense. In particular you should look over what you're posting when you say things like the Predator is put to use in Afghanistan simply because it's cheaper... I'm fairly sure you are well aware it has strong characteristics of its own... or saying that I lack logic, when I have a very high IQ.
 
Most of all you just need to realize some people are going to be naturally annoyed with other people when they are so obviously biased in favor of what they seem to consider toys for their ego, to the extent that they will ignore years of argumentation and a decade of damning evidence both in terms of hard science and circumstantial evidence such as actual purchases.

 
 
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cwDeici       1/19/2011 5:50:57 PM
Oh, thanks for your answer too Brad Piff.
 
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cwDeici       1/19/2011 6:23:09 PM

.... in terms of hard science...
As presented by various resident posters with the correct scientific fields of study and with the correct industry connections in laymen's and professional terms.
I don't know what you do for a living or study, but it is worth noting that the hardline opposition here has otherwise consisted of a truck driver and an artillery officer, which with respect to these professions, has very little bearing on relevant knowledge.
It is wise to defer to a high degree to a wide panel of expertise when one lacks knowledge in a complicated field, rather than allow significant free reign to one's bias... the failure to do so by many people is an important pard of what leads to the entrenchment of ideas over memetic borders.
 
I can give personal witness to my application of the above as I am for example a nationalistic Chinaman who identified deeply with the ethical and political standpoints of the West.
 
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cwDeici       1/19/2011 6:24:16 PM
... identifies (present tense, not past tense) deeply with the ethical standpoints of the West.
 
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heraldabc    Brad Piff    1/19/2011 11:09:29 PM




.... in terms of hard science...


As presented by various resident posters with the correct scientific fields of study and with the correct industry connections in laymen's and professional terms.


I don't know what you do for a living or study, but it is worth noting that the hardline opposition here has otherwise consisted of a truck driver and an artillery officer, which with respect to these professions, has very little bearing on relevant knowledge.

It is wise to defer to a high degree to a wide panel of expertise when one lacks knowledge in a complicated field, rather than allow significant free reign to one's bias... the failure to do so by many people is an important pard of what leads to the entrenchment of ideas over memetic borders.

 

I can give personal witness to my application of the above as I am for example a nationalistic Chinaman who identified deeply with the ethical and political standpoints of the West.

Herald
 
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MK       1/20/2011 9:04:32 AM
Another reason for not sustaining a permanent Rafale commitment in Afghanistan could be a shortage of personal. There are currently not many units available and the number of technicians and pilots might be too limited to burden them constantly with a permanent deployment! The human factor shouldn't be ignored as it is quite important! Maybe we'll learn about the true reasons however sooner or later in time. A lack of spares might be a problem, but it's not necessarily a must be issue, maybe the logistic chain to sent spares over there is a higher burden than the spare parts itself, but if they can change types they most likely have enough capacity here.
 
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heraldabc       1/20/2011 9:21:26 AM

Another reason for not sustaining a permanent Rafale commitment in Afghanistan could be a shortage of personal. There are currently not many units available and the number of technicians and pilots might be too limited to burden them constantly with a permanent deployment! The human factor shouldn't be ignored as it is quite important! Maybe we'll learn about the true reasons however sooner or later in time. A lack of spares might be a problem, but it's not necessarily a must be issue, maybe the logistic chain to sent spares over there is a higher burden than the spare parts itself, but if they can change types they most likely have enough capacity here.

I agree with that.
 
H.
 
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Brad Piff       2/5/2011 12:36:41 PM

The basis for your article?


 

Mr Obama said: 'We don?t have a stronger friend and stronger ally than Nicolas Sarkozy, and the French people.'


Maybe the french should be careful about their close relationship with the americans....britain gets burned over and over
 
 
 
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