Military History | How To Make War | Wars Around the World Rules of Use How to Behave on an Internet Forum
Fighters, Bombers and Recon Discussion Board
   Return to Topic Page
Subject: Dassault VP : Rafale's successor will join Eurofighter Consortium-like Euro Consortium.
SlowMan    10/19/2009 4:07:06 PM
New York Times article < http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/20/business/global/20jets.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2 > "Dassault appears to be thinking along the same lines. Eric Trappier, executive vice president at Dassault Aviation, said that Rafale’s “successor will probably be designed through a European cooperation, from 2025.” " So this is the end of all-French fighter aircraft.
 
Quote    Reply

Show Only Poster Name and Title     Newest to Oldest
Pages: PREV  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31   NEXT
jackjack       1/13/2011 4:53:08 PM
FRANCE is the country that conducts the most industrial espionage on other European countries, even ahead of China and Russia, said leaked US diplomatic cables 
h*tp://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/france-heads-industrial-espionage-wikileaks-cables/story-e6frf7jx-1225982019775

is anyone surprised that france stole high-pressure compressor and turbine IP from germany that is to be used in the rafale M88-4e TCO pack upgrade ?
 
Quote    Reply

Brad Piff       1/13/2011 5:50:54 PM
so what you are saying is that the biggest aviation industry in europe in fact is nothing more then millions of spies? so france is the evil enemy of the strategypage posters, not the rafale itself?
 
now it's starting to make sense ...
 
Quote    Reply

heraldabc    jackjack reply.   1/13/2011 5:56:42 PM
Yep, got it in one. France has an aviation industry that is a disgrace to France.
 
H. 
 
Quote    Reply

Brad Piff       1/13/2011 7:46:45 PM
if thats the case. your not going to like this:

Barack Obama has declared that France is America?s greatest ally, undermining Britain?s Special Relationship with the U.S.

The President risked offending British troops in Afghanistan by saying that French president Nicolas Sarkozy is a ?stronger friend? than David Cameron.

The remarks, during a White House appearance with Mr Sarkozy, will reinforce the widely-held view in British diplomatic circles that Mr Obama has less interest in the Special Relationship than any other recent American leader.

 
 
Quote    Reply

Reactive    The Quote   1/13/2011 8:16:53 PM
The basis for your article?
 
Mr Obama said: 'We don?t have a stronger friend and stronger ally than Nicolas Sarkozy, and the French people.'

LOL
 
This is a bitchy pathetic story, even for the Daily Fail.
 
The daily mail, BW, is a paranoid tabloid, it has been found factually wanting on many occasions, it famously supported antisemitism in europe and has ever since been marginalised by the Murdoch press. None of the "assertions" have any merit in this article at all, it's just a diplomatic phrase used all around the world, Obama isn't declaring france the new tier-1 ally, nor is he doing anything other than providing easy picking for the stupid spiv hacks with declining revenue to pounce on.
 
Obama isn't particularly astute diplomatically, he has limited (no) international experience and therefore makes statements that can be spun in any way one desires. The "special relationship" is actually just a mutually beneficial arrangement, acting like a rejected drama queen about every statement made in press conferences is pathetic. There are far deeper reasons for cooperation between the UK and US, and that wont't change in the near term.
 
R
 
R
 
Quote    Reply

heraldabc    Reactive reply.   1/14/2011 12:10:26 AM
Obama is the grandson of a Mau Mau. His Kenyan political family past colors his personal anglo-phobia.
 
Another recommendation, don't waste time with the plancks (in planck time) of the internet.
 
(That was a nice triple pun, wish I'd thought of it .) .  

H.
 
Quote    Reply

prometheus       1/14/2011 6:29:28 AM

so what you are saying is that the biggest aviation industry in europe in fact is nothing more then millions of spies? so france is the evil enemy of the strategypage posters, not the rafale itself?

 

now it's starting to make sense ...



Depends on what metric you use. I've seen data that suggests that the UK has the biggest aerospace sector, owning something like 17% of the market, which is second only to the US. Differnet metrics put France ahead of the UK.
Just being pedantic, but it's worht poitning out that it's not an absolute.
 
Quote    Reply

Reactive       1/14/2011 11:14:01 AM

Obama is the grandson of a Mau Mau. His Kenyan political family past colors his personal anglo-phobia.

 It would explain certain slights that have been made or at least have been perceived to have been made, I do wonder how much influence that side of his heritage it would be reasonable to expect given that he seems to have gone out of his way to distance himself (although that might well have been political necessity). He's very likely to be a one-term president IF the Republicans field a moderate and not a wingnut - If he if genuinely anglophobic (and the tone of some of the diplomatic exchanges did seem to become less cordial after his inauguration) then it's no disaster, a change of administration would rectify the tone and if he does step too far out of line on the "special relationship" (hate the term) it will work against him poltiically, in any case there is a mutual reliance on intelligence sharing that goes far deeper than BFF bracelets.
 
 

Another recommendation, don't waste time with the plancks (in planck time) of the internet.

 
(That was a nice triple pun, wish I'd thought of it .) .  

Thanks : )



H.


R
 
Quote    Reply

Das Kardinal       1/15/2011 5:18:20 AM

FRANCE is the country that conducts the most industrial espionage on other European countries, even ahead of China and Russia, said leaked US diplomatic cables 

h*tp://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/france-heads-industrial-espionage-wikileaks-cables/story-e6frf7jx-1225982019775




is anyone surprised that france stole high-pressure compressor and turbine IP from germany that is to be used in the rafale M88-4e TCO pack upgrade ?
Source on the latter ? I'm all the more surprised by that affirmation since, AFAIK, Germany doesn't produce military jet engines. I'd have understood if it were Rolls Royce (they do design modern military jet engines), but Germany ?
 
Quote    Reply

Privateer       1/15/2011 5:43:16 AM
"... but Germany?" Why not?
 
MTU Aero Engines:
 
http://www.mtu.de/en/products_services/military_business/programs/index.html
 
There's also Rolls Royce Germany (formerly known as BMW Rolls-Royce) with the BR700 family.
 
Quote    Reply
PREV  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31   NEXT



 Latest
 News 		  Most
 Read 		  Most
 Commented		  Hot
 Topics