Dassault VP : Rafale's successor will join Eurofighter Consortium-like Euro Consortium.

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Subject: Dassault VP : Rafale's successor will join Eurofighter Consortium-like Euro Consortium.
SlowMan 10/19/2009 4:07:06 PM

New York Times article < http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/20/business/global/20jets.html?_r=1&pagewanted=2 > "Dassault appears to be thinking along the same lines. Eric Trappier, executive vice president at Dassault Aviation, said that Rafale’s “successor will probably be designed through a European cooperation, from 2025.” " So this is the end of all-French fighter aircraft.

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gf0012-aust 10/29/2009 3:39:17 AM

gf0012-aust > incorrect, the typhoons canards are direct coupled. ie port and starboard are directly linked to each other. that was the advice given to us at a briefing by a RAF exchange pilot

sorry, i misused the "coupled" term. i meant that the distance between eurofighter's canards and the wings are much greater than in rafale's or gripen's configuration.

no worries, just one of those literal technical translation issues :)

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jackjack 10/29/2009 4:20:57 AM

@Jackjack,

get your calculations right 30 sqm is ~ 3sqm not 10! Here is a converter.

http://www.metric-conversions.org/area/square-feet-to-square-meters.htm

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i was home sick, the day they taught maths at school, you're right 30 sq ft is about 3 sq meters

re the russian link, it was just put up to show what they think...i think the yanks would have a problem with it too

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Lynstyne 10/29/2009 8:47:49 AM

When I wrote

Having 4 weapons on a clean Rafale does not change RCS by a big amount

Is that because the Rafale already has a big RCS?

Lynstyine

I wrote clean rafale to says that I speak about a configuration without other external pylons or external tank, i.e like a clean rafale but only with 4 missiles added.

Just for pleasure the two best operationnal AtoA fighters: the best (F22) and the Second best (Rafale) on the same photo

Notice similar transparency and reflection of the two canopies both coated

http://www.weplug.com/images_1/7434bb35578c414c5faee55dc01f9e2520091025223831.jpg" width="800" border="0" />

My God the Canopys Transparant thats a first. Quite what the canopy has to do with missile carriage i dont know

I am not going to get into an argument about which is the worlds 2nd best A2A fighter - needless to say im of the opinion something with a larger Radar, with A2A being its main design role, and more powerful engines would be better ,but quite frankly you (and BW) are not going to accept anything that does not conform to your version of the truth.

Re coatings you could coat that canopy with pure invisibillium but whilever you have a hoofing great radar reflector installed (AKA The A2A refuel probe) alongside the rafales rcs is going to be more comparable to a B52 than a B2 (ok a slight exageration).

Please note lack of lumps and bumps (i cant spell protuburences) on the F22.

Quite frankly I have become bored with every thread being Hijaked by the Rafale Beats all comers crowd

Ask youreself why the rest of the world doesnt consider the Rafale to be either Stealthy or the 2nd greatest A2A fighter around, and it isnt all down to Francaphobia.

While youre at it ask yourself why I believe the probe has a big Metal ball at the end

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jackjack 10/29/2009 9:11:48 AM

""While youre at it ask yourself why I believe the probe has a big Metal ball at the end""

is it for a duel use, is it also a transmitting antenna for the active cancellation ?

http://data3.primeportal.net/hangar/luc_colin4/rafale_b_tlp/images/rafale_b_tlp_028_of_144.jpg" width="2000" height="1500" />

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jackjack 10/29/2009 9:24:25 AM

gee, i didnt think it was that big, it wont even fit on the page

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sentinel28a 10/29/2009 1:27:06 PM

If you're talking about the ball on the end of the probe, that's the hookup for the drogue basket.

Why didn't the French go for a frameless canopy on the Rafale? I'm sure they had a good reason, but that's got to interfere with pilot vision.

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Lynstyne 10/29/2009 2:08:48 PM

Yes that is what im refering to (

I was trying in laymens terms to get certain posters to acnowledge its metal and think as to why it wont be RAM coated..

Im operating in the vain hope that if i can get there neurons firing along the right lines they may start to become more realistic regarding the Rafale and certain limitations of its design.

Not that i think its a bad aircraft. My critisims of the aircraft are more the cost and timing.

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MK 10/29/2009 2:34:42 PM

If you're talking about the ball on the end of the probe, that's the hookup for the drogue basket.

Why didn't the French go for a frameless canopy on the Rafale? I'm sure they had a good reason, but that's got to interfere with pilot vision.

It won't obscure the the view more than the metal frame on the Hornet, Gripen, Typhoon or Eagle. The reason for a seperate windscreen is probably the same as on the Typhoon, enough strength to provide bird strike protection during low level operations.

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MK 10/29/2009 2:39:02 PM

Yes that is what im refering to (

I was trying in laymens terms to get certain posters to acnowledge its metal and think as to why it wont be RAM coated..

Im operating in the vain hope that if i can get there neurons firing along the right lines they may start to become more realistic regarding the Rafale and certain limitations of its design.

Not that i think its a bad aircraft. My critisims of the aircraft are more the cost and timing.

Some fanboys are so stuck with their opinion that you'll actually never change their mind.

Regarding costs afaik the Rafale programme is just about 10% more expensive than originally planned, The Rafale isn't cheap, but you have to consider what you get for it and how many airframes have actually been ordered. The costs are about the same as for the Typhoon.

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sentinel28a 10/29/2009 3:05:50 PM

The F-16 has a frameless canopy, and it operates at low level. It's not a gamebreaker for the Rafale, of course--I'm just curious why a frameless canopy wasn't considered.

I would also think that RAM coating on the very tip of the probe would end up being rubbed off over time.

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