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Subject: Best All-Around Fighter of World War II
sentinel28a    10/13/2009 3:38:03 PM
Let's try a non-controversial topic, shall we? (Heh heh.) I'll submit the P-51 for consideration. BW and FS, if you come on here and say that the Rafale was the best fighter of WWII, I am going to fly over to France and personally beat you senseless with Obama's ego. (However, feel free to talk about the D.520.)
 
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Aussiegunneragain       5/22/2011 3:29:04 AM

 I don't know where you got your blast area of effect for the 20mm 

I have my suspicions ...
 
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Aussiegunneragain       5/22/2011 3:29:54 AM




They did not switch until the advent of the M-61 Vulcan gun in 20 MM! Note that the .50 worked more than "Well enough" in Korea Vs a plane every one knows is tougher than any in WW-II!

 



Apparently you haven't heard of the Colt M-39 in while conducting your "expert research" ... sorry, I'm smirking.









You are right! I'd forgotten that one! But the F-100 never shot down another plane in combat, it was a ground attack AC!



What about the Crusader with it's Mk-12's?
 
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RedParadize       5/22/2011 3:36:12 AM


 I don't know where you got your blast area of effect for the 20mm 

I have my suspicions ...

Can you share this with me Aussiegunneragain? I am curious.
 
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RedParadize       5/22/2011 3:40:56 AM
hahaha!
Sorry I have a kind of slow sense of humor
 
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Aussiegunneragain       5/22/2011 4:27:51 AM

hahaha!

Sorry I have a kind of slow sense of humor




Don't worry, it just means that you aren't cursed with a dirty mind :-).
 
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RedParadize       5/22/2011 4:44:12 AM

 


http://www.daveswarbirds.com/b-17/photos/body/side2.gif" alt="" height="233" width="375" />

I have a question, it is rater vague but how "deep" the 20mm round have explode ? Looks like it exploded between the 2 layer of plate. must be a minengeschob right? (mine-shell)
 
By the way, I got some Pentaerythritol tetranitrate explosive used in shell. Quite intresting. (For that kind of information, I think wiki is not bad at all)
 
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Aussiegunneragain       5/22/2011 4:51:59 AM




 




http://www.daveswarbirds.com/b-17/photos/body/side2.gif" alt="" height="233" width="375" />




I have a question, it is rater vague but how "deep" the 20mm round have explode ? Looks like it exploded between the 2 layer of plate. must be a minengeschob right? (mine-shell)

 

By the way, I got some Pentaerythritol tetranitrate explosive used in shell. Quite intresting. (For that kind of information, I think wiki is not bad at all)




 
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Aussiegunneragain       5/22/2011 5:06:41 AM







 






http://www.daveswarbirds.com/b-17/photos/body/side2.gif" width="375" />







I have a question, it is rater vague but how "deep" the 20mm round have explode ? Looks like it exploded between the 2 layer of plate. must be a minengeschob right? (mine-shell)


 


By the way, I got some Pentaerythritol tetranitrate explosive used in shell. Quite intresting. (For that kind of information, I think wiki is not bad at all)







Dunno, but I'm imagining what would havp
 
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Aussiegunneragain       5/22/2011 5:07:52 AM
POS software!
 
I don't know the answer to how deep it would go RP, but
 
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Aussiegunneragain    Shooter - In summary   5/22/2011 5:46:16 AM
To sum all this up I:
1. Agree that armament mounted on or near centreline better than widely wing mounted.

2. Disagree that this compensated for the other inadequacies of the P-38 compared to other fighters in the ETO.

3. Agree that this is one of the reasons why the Bf-109 was the best all round fighter in the world until the advent of the Fw-190, which then took the mantle as best for the rest of the war.

4. Disagree that 12.7mm AP came close to equalling the penetrative power of a 20mm AP at anything like normal combat ranges.

5. Don't know for sure which of 20mm HE or 12.7mm AP was more effective against WW2 bombers because I don't know the probabilities of the 12.7mm hitting something important versus tha 20mm hitting or exploding next to something important.
6. Consider that the 20mm HE was be more effective against fighters than the 12.7mm AP because any 20mm hit on a fighter is likely to be close enough to something important to cause serious problems.
 
7. Consider that all round, the move to majority use of 20mm and larger  cannon during WW2 by all but the US and by the USAF during the immediate postwar years (F-86H springs to mind), that all round it was considered to be the better weapons system.
 
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