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Subject: 2009 displays of the F-22 and the Rafale
Bluewings12    6/24/2009 5:03:48 PM
Let 's watch them first :-) The F-22 h*tp://www.air-attack.com/videos/single/cAhL7lJCk4I The Rafale : h*tp://www.dailymotion.com/user/ministeredeladefense/video/x9ma8h_demonstration-du-rafale_news Both aircrafts are pulling nice stuff . Rafale only does it twice faster . Explaination and details to follow . Cheers .
 
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JFKY    Herald   7/2/2009 2:00:29 PM
If we banned people for stupidity, here, there'd be about 6 folks left to post....I'm fairly certain i wouldn't be one fo them....
 
BW and FS are good for the site...they bring hits and eyeballs.
 
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Herald12345    Ah another one!   7/2/2009 3:28:30 PM



I also participate in various French forums (obviously) but posting here on SP is important because of the amount of innacuracies and mistakes we French can read . 

No you don't. You may try but you're systematically banned because frankly, you're an embarrasment for all amateurs of French hardware.
eg , with what Herald is posting (Rafale is junk , Mica is junk , half the MN is junk , Thalès is junk , etc) some uninformed posters could well believe the clown . So my presence here , it is as simple as that .

Problem is, while you're right the Herald posting is junk (e.g. he obviously knows nothing about the MICA IR seeker operation yet bashes it endlessly in the latest Typhoon thread), your inability to argue without ressoreting to massive exageration and baltant inaccuracies is sadly more effective in undermining your position than countering his arguments.
I actually do know the missile, kumquat. Through the MBDA shop itself in fact. They don't think much of the prior incompetent MBDA crowd that designed it at all!.

ROTFLMAO.
 
Herald
 
 
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Rufus       7/2/2009 4:13:06 PM
"BW and FS are good for the site...they bring hits and eyeballs."
 
They also ensure that this sight will never be anything but the gutter of defense message boards.
 
They are liars, and idiots.  As long as they are around discussions will never rise above the level of idiots making up blatantly false stories about their favorite airplane.
 
 
 
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Bluewings12       7/2/2009 4:57:00 PM
Herald about the Mica IR :
""I actually do know the missile""
 
No you don 't , as least not the last time we talked about it , I have to correct you every time you post something about it !

Cheers .
 
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Herald12345    Liar.   7/2/2009 6:48:52 PM

Herald about the Mica IR :


""I actually do know the missile""

 

No you don 't , as least not the last time we talked about it , I have to correct you every time you post something about it !






Cheers .

Yes, you are a !@#$%^&*() liar, punk. It was ME who explained to you what a proportional lead logic seeker was, you idiot.

 
 
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Bluewings12       7/3/2009 8:48:45 AM
""It was ME who explained to you what a proportional lead logic seeker was, you idiot.""
 
lol ! You didn 't teach me ANYTHING , furthermore how can you explain to me how works the Mica 's IR seeker when you probably know nothing about it ?
Let 's see :
-1) what can you tell me about the IR imagery used by the seeker ?
-2) Is it using a cooling system , if not why ?
-3) if it is using a cooling system , is it external of the missile or internal ?
-4) what would be that cooling system (if any) ?
 
Cheers . 
 
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JFKY       7/3/2009 10:23:51 AM

""It was ME who explained to you what a proportional lead logic seeker was, you idiot.""

 

lol ! You didn't 't teach me ANYTHING , furthermore how can you explain to me how works the Mica 's IR seeker when you probably know nothing about it ?


Let 's see :

-1) what can you tell me about the IR imagery used by the seeker ?
 
This from a man who doesn't understand the idea of two colour IR scanning?  Mind you, I didn't either until I re-read The Naval Institute Guide to World Naval Weapon Systems, but I think I'd be a little careful about flaunting my "knowledge" of IR Theory after that.

-2) Is it using a cooling system , if not why ?
 
If it DOESN'T use a cooling system, it's not much of an IR missile is it?  Unless you've developed a truly REVOLUTIONARY IR viewing system.  I believe early AA-2 Atolls and possibly early AIM-9's were uncooled, an
 
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Rufus       7/3/2009 11:01:52 AM
"You didn 't teach me ANYTHING"
 
Nobody appears to be able to teach you anything.
 
What is sad is that I think you know you are clueless, but you just don't care.  Whenever it suits you you simply lie.
 
Remember how you lied and said that the M88-3 was already running in tests in 1994, and I proved that you were lying by supplying some articles... and then you said you were "checking" and just ran off?
 
Yeah, you are a liar, a fraud, and just about the farthest thing possible from a missile expert.
 
 
 
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Blue Apple       7/3/2009 12:10:29 PM


That being said , when and where I used exageration ? You tell me Sir .


Every time you claim the Rafale is the best at everything. Like in this thread, you're trying to imply it's better than a plane with better TWR and vector thrusting. Even if the Rafale is better at keeping its energy, the F-22 energy output is so much higher that it won't make a difference.
 
Rafel has its strong and weak point like any other plane. But all you manage to do when you oversell the strong points is dicredit yourself. And the end result is that this site has become nothing but a "let's bash the Rafale" in every other thread with you as the "clown de service". 
 
I actually do know the missile, kumquat.

No you don't. If you did, you'd know that the MICA IR seeker used a micro-cooler provided by Thales Cryogenics. From a French article (translation is mine):
 
"Cryotechnologies [now part of Thales Cryogenics] took up this challenge with a never seen before solution in a French AAM: the installation of a splitted rotative Stirling group extracting 0.5W at cryogenic temperatures. The oscillator placed inside the missile body produces the cold and transmit it through a "cold finger" to a cryostat placed next to the seeker. The oscillator was placed far from the seeker to minimize unwanted vibrations. Beyond the thermal constraints, this system can withstand 30 to 40g accelarations. The cooler is designed to operate for at least 200 hours."
 
Now what was your claim in the other thread? That it had to use either an external supply of coolant or at best a Peltier system? An incorrect claim made by a vindicative know-nothing.
 
And for your information, the MICA has an inertial reference unit and does not need to lock on the target before launch. In LOAL mode, it works exactly like the AMRAAM with an inertial navigation phase (with target updates provided by the lunching planes through the one-way plane-missile link). The seeker only turns itself on for the end game (for the MICA EM, the MICA IR seeker is of course continuously operating throughout the flight) when it uses some variation of proportional navigation to close on its target like, well, pretty much every AAM or SAM over the last 50 years.
 
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warpig       7/3/2009 3:29:23 PM






That being said , when and where I used exageration ? You tell me Sir .






Every time you claim the Rafale is the best at everything. Like in this thread, you're trying to imply it's better than a plane with better TWR and vector thrusting. Even if the Rafale is better at keeping its energy, the F-22 energy output is so much higher that it won't make a difference.

Rafel has its strong and weak point like any other plane. But all you manage to do when you oversell the strong points is dicredit yourself. And the end result is that this site has become nothing but a "let's bash the Rafale" in every other thread with you as the "clown de service". 



I actually do know the missile, kumquat.



No you don't. If you did, you'd know that the MICA IR seeker used a micro-cooler provided by Thales Cryogenics. From a French article (translation is mine):

"Cryotechnologies [now part of Thales Cryogenics] took up this challenge with a never seen before solution in a French AAM: the installation of a splitted rotative Stirling group extracting 0.5W at cryogenic temperatures. The oscillator placed inside the missile body produces the cold and transmit it through a "cold finger" to a cryostat placed next to the seeker. The oscillator was placed far from the seeker to minimize unwanted vibrations. Beyond the thermal constraints, this system can withstand 30 to 40g accelarations. The cooler is designed to operate for at least 200 hours."

Now what was your claim in the other thread? That it had to use either an external supply of coolant or at best a Peltier system? An incorrect claim made by a vindicative know-nothing.
And for your information, the MICA has an inertial reference unit and does not need to lock on the target before launch. In LOAL mode, it works exactly like the AMRAAM with an inertial navigation phase (with target updates provided by the lunching planes through the one-way plane-missile link). The seeker only turns itself on for the end game (for the MICA EM, the MICA IR seeker is of course continuously operating throughout the flight) when it uses some variation of proportional navigation to close on its target like, well, pretty much every AAM or SAM over the last 50 years.


 
Thank God, we actually now have two reasonable French posters that occasionally visit StrategyPage.
 
 
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