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Subject: 2009 displays of the F-22 and the Rafale
Bluewings12    6/24/2009 5:03:48 PM
Let 's watch them first :-) The F-22 h*tp://www.air-attack.com/videos/single/cAhL7lJCk4I The Rafale : h*tp://www.dailymotion.com/user/ministeredeladefense/video/x9ma8h_demonstration-du-rafale_news Both aircrafts are pulling nice stuff . Rafale only does it twice faster . Explaination and details to follow . Cheers .
 
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Bluewings12       7/15/2009 5:34:10 PM
Just to put more water in my bucket :
(from AviationWeek)
""Other major features in the development pipeline include the Damocles XF targeting pod enhancement. It should improve short and medium-range imagery, without degrading long-range performance. The XF also will include a datalink to provide ground forces with full motion video from the pod.""
 
(note that)

""The optical site system, the OSF, is being improved by boosting processing (the OSF-IT standard) to allow the introduction of new software and target-tracking features. The Spectra electronic-warfare suite also is being enhanced, mainly with the upgrade of the DDM missile warning system to the "NG" configuration. The DDM-NG is an imaging infrared system.""
 
(they do not know of the other new capabilities yet)
 
""Meanwhile, Rafale continues its regular rotations to Afghanistan to support combat forces there""

Of course .
I wish that the newest Damoclès pod would be put in operation earlier as the actual Damoclès has some shortcomings 'average resolution is the bottleneck) . Another thing I don 't like :
 
""As part of the upgrade roadmap, France is looking to add new weapons to Rafale. Among them is the ramjet-powered MBDA Meteor beyond visual range air-to-air missile. The problem is that there's no firm budget or timeline, at this point, for when the weapon may be in inventory, says Stephane Reb, project manager at French armaments agency DGA. Meteor may not become operational on Rafale before 2017.""
 
I can 't believe this ! The only thing the French DGA has to do is finance the last tests and build the missile ! 
That should be done in 2 or 3 years top , no more . Pffff ...
 
Cheers .

 

 
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Bluewings12       7/15/2009 6:07:57 PM
I believe that the Meteor will be put into use earlier than that . My guess is 2012-2013 .
Read my lips : N. Sarkozy will force the DGA and back up Dassault to promise the UAE than they will get the Meteor , and sign the deal .
 
I bet a pint of lager ;-)
 
Cheers .
 
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Bluewings12       7/15/2009 6:11:33 PM
One last time Reactive and because YOU never proved me wrong , get lost with your personal attacks .
 
Cheers .
 
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Bluewings12       7/15/2009 6:52:34 PM
Seagull , if you are still around (?) .
I have been trying to find some stuff on what appears to be a new BVR capability for the Rafale .
So far , I did not find anything meaningful , at least not worth to post . Can you help ?
 
SPECTRA is apparently now capable to give a firing solution at longer range through some kind of interferometry .
That 's fine to me as long as it is true but I would like to know more . 
As I said earlier , the electronic updates (AESA antennas , CPUs , Buses and software) are now able to compute in real time the adverse EM emissions which are detected . From there , at what range the Rafale could fire a missile ?
When I think about with the help of some studies , I see that very good LPI radars (AESA and fast frequency jumping) are hard to deal with . You only get very few pulses even if your electronic suite is excellent . So , is it good enough to fire an EM Mica (or two) then use the few pulses to keep getting enough data to update the missile for a decent kill ?
 
Please , keep in mind that the Rafale is so far totally silent and is only listening the adverse EM emissions , which means that the adverse ECMs and ECCMs will not detect anything (jamming will be absent or poor/feeble) .
 
If it 's the case , the NEZ of the Mica will slightly increase (unaware target) , the PK will also increase as well as the longevity/survivability of the firing Rafale .
I call this capability a 5th Generation capability , easily . 
 
Cheers .
 
 
 
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Reactive       7/15/2009 6:53:30 PM
100+ citites destroyed by a china unafraid of nuclear war
 
 
I wasn't the ONLY person who proved you wrong, but that's because it was such a glaringly stupid comment. The reason I bring it up is because you never acknowledged that you were incorrect and simply returned back to your usual tasks of disseminating prodigious quantities of bullshit about the rafale. 
 
 
You have reached the conclusion that the Rafale is amazing, we think otherwise, we don't care about it particularly, you are obsessive, have a childlike understanding, completely ignore the 100's of posts that have already said it just as well as I ever could.
 
DON'T YOU GET IT!? NOTHING ANYONE EVER SAYS TO YOU IN ANY QUANTITY OR STRENGTH OF ARGUMENT OR EVIDENCE WILL EVER CONVINCE YOU THAT YOU ARE WRONG IN YOUR ESTIMATION OF THE RAFALE
 
If the french were as good at building planes as they are at producing idiots....
 
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Reactive       7/15/2009 6:59:46 PM
And your posts are beginning to sound like the inner workings of a ten year old's mind. 
 
I don't think this is the place to air every knowledge-deficient fantasy that makes its lingering way through the vast and lonely expanse of empty space in your head.
 
"oh BOY they're GIVING IT A DEATH-RAY!?"
 

 
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warpig       7/15/2009 7:03:16 PM
It's just fracking hilarious that in six-plus years of beating you up in thread after thread, I can not recall seeing ***ANYONE*** side with you in ***ANY*** airpower-related subject, other than a couple French posters and now one Belgian.  We have had many obviously qualified professionals comment in hundreds of threads about the entire range of subject matter involving fighters and missiles, where they often debated and disagreed with each other, and they often drew supporters to both/many "sides" of the issue.  This routinely included times where there was no nationality bias discernable, and there could be found Americans and Europeans on each side.  And yet, when it comes to pretty much everything you have ever posted on StrategyPage, there has been virtual unanimity of all non-French posters, and what they invariably agree on is that you are an uneducatable troll.
 
You could completely search the StrategyPage archives, and I'd bet you couldn't find more than a handful of non-French posters who have ***EVER*** agreed with any technical position you have ever taken when any of the large number of professionals have disagreed with you (I say it that way in order to not count the occasions when you acknowledge reality about things like the F-22s BVR superiority over other fighters when yo are not including Rafale).  Even if you throw in the couple of known French posters like FS and Seagull and that BigPeter guy from a few months ago, you still could probably count all your supporters on one hand, in total.
 
Only a total ass-clown could be presented with this sort of history and conclude that it must mean that everyone else is biased against you and/or France, instead of just accepting the truth:  It is you who have the problem understanding the truth, not everyone else who has ever debated something you've said over the last six-plus years.
 
You are truly the personification of "chutzpah."  I have often joked that the French have only one redeeming value, and that is their pride in self and country--but that it was an ironic shame, since it is so misplaced.  If that were true, you'd be the perfect example.
 
I really wish SP would ban posters for their demonstrated incompetence, and kick you out, but it seems about the only way to get SYSOPS' attention is to be grossly, undeservedly abusive.
 
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Bluewings12       7/15/2009 7:07:48 PM
""100+ citites destroyed by a china unafraid of nuclear war""
 
You wanna bet ?
The Chinese Gov don 't give a sh*t about a nuclear War with the USA , they don 't .
Then , the last time I checked , no one knows for sure what the Chinese have regarding the number of nuclear warheads .
**********
When you proved me wrong on what I am actually saying about the Rafale , I will take you seriously , not before .
 
Cheers .
 
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usajoe1    Question for Rufus, Reactive, and Warpig   7/15/2009 7:18:18 PM
Why are you guys still trying to argue with this Troll? It is obvious that this guy is just here to piss people off. He does not care about facts or logic, all he cares about is irritating people with stupid comments, then when a bunch of knowledgeable people prove him wrong, he disappears for a while and comes back with the same BS!
 
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Bluewings12       7/15/2009 7:21:03 PM
Warpig , stay on topic please .
I read your long post twice (and carefully) and I believe you to be wrong on many points .
How many posters are against me is irrelevant because we are on StrategyPage . I am often alone against waves of misinformed posters but I could not care less , I hold the high ground because I back up what I say .
 
One post out of two , I give a link for you to update your "pseudo" knowledge on the Rafale . Without me , you would know jack-sh*t about the Dassault Fighter . Just re-read this thread !
 
If SYSOPS would ban the incompetant posters , I wouldn 't be the first or the last to go . You on the other hand , I don 't know ...
 
Cheers .
 
 
 
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