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Subject: BAE pitching Typhoon as F-22 eludes
maruben    6/12/2009 6:00:08 PM
Friday, June 12, 2009 BAE pitching Typhoon as F-22 eludes Europeans make move amid U.S. export ban on stealth fighter By JUN HONGO Staff writer Japan should consider adopting the Eurofighter Typhoon as its next mainstay fighter jet even if the U.S. lifts its ban on exporting the stealthy F-22 Raptor, representatives of a U.K.-based defense and aerospace company said Thursday in Tokyo. The Air Self-Defense Force is eager to replace about 50 of its aging F-4s with the high-tech F-22 for its agility and high stealth capabilities. But recent reports indicate Washington is unlikely to sell its latest and greatest airplane to just anyone, while others say the ¥25 billion plane is too expensive. Andy Latham, BAE System Inc. vice president in charge of Typhoon exports, told reporters that since the Typhoon costs only about ¥10 billion, it presents "an effective non-U.S. solution" with significant benefits for Japan. The Typhoon, made by a consortium of European manufacturers, is already used by the air forces in Europe. Although export of the F-22 would be strictly controlled to prevent its military technology from falling into the wrong hands, Latham said selling the Typhoon will take a "no black box approach." The biggest difference between the two planes will be the "ability to offer Japan's industry a significant package of work," he said, explaining that the consortium could allow licensed manufacturing of the fighter in Japan and integration with Japanese equipment. As for the Typhoon's lack of stealth capability, however, BAE System's Craig Penrice said stealth technology should not be considered an issue. "Stealth is not the silver bullet answer that some might have you think," the former Royal Air Force pilot said, adding that the Typhoon has overall countermeasures against radar detection, including reduced infrared emissions. By comparison, stealth is "not cheap, not low maintenance and not fully exportable," he said. In total, Tokyo is considering six candidates to replace its F-4EJ fighters, including the U.S. F-35, which is still under development. BAE has been pitching the Typhoon to Japan for years, although Tokyo and Washington have a strong defense alliance that leaves little room for non-U.S. bidders, Latham said. Despite recent reports indicating the U.S. is unlikely to provide the F-22 to Japan, Defense Minister Yasukazu Hamada said Tuesday the fighter "remains an option that will be pursued." Japan's strong interest in the aircraft is based not only on its capabilities but also on its compatibility with the U.S. Air Force, which the ASDF would work closely with in the event Japan is attacked. Some observers also say Tokyo is eager to update its aircraft with the most up-to-date fighter available so it can claim air superiority over China, which is continuing to build its military power. Japan's current mainstay fighter is the U.S.-designed F-15 Eagle. P-3C patrols start Kyodo News A Maritime Self-Defense Force P-3C surveillance plane made its first patrol Thursday over the pirate-infested Gulf of Aden off Somalia, the Defense Ministry said. The aircraft is one of two P-3Cs dispatched last month on the first overseas mission by MSDF patrol planes. They are supporting the two MSDF destroyers that have been patrolling for pirates in the gulf since late March. The P-3Cs will gather information on suspicious ships to pass on to the destroyers and the commercial vessels they escort. The information will also be conveyed to navy vessels from other countries operating in the area, according to the ministry. After arriving in Djibouti late last month, the P-3Cs had been conducting training flights. The aircraft are using the international airport in Djibouti as their operational base. The destroyers have been escorting Japanese-related commercial vessels.
 
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Herald12345       6/23/2009 9:37:42 PM

Herald :


""If you looked carefully at the three examples I wove together you'd understand, but since you don't know about what an underpowered engine set, a poor lift aspect, and  the usual 1%er whitewash about a jet that failed to maintain instrumented horizon fix means, I suppose you can be forgiven for being ignorant.""

 

You must be joking but I know you don 't , it 's worse . 

lol !


How dare you talk about poor lift , underpowered engine set ??? I show you what is poor lift and underpowered engines :

Look again at this video :


h*tp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dohKKp0EvTs&hl=fr

 

From 0:24 seconds to the crash , the F-16 is not flying anymore , it is SINKING . The jet is UNABLE to get any lift and its AoA (angle of attack) is piss poor . Then , it also lacks the needed thrust to escape the ground .


NOW , look again at the Rafale video over the Ocean and check from 0:16 seconds to the end . The jet find its lift muuuch earlier on , then its AoA reaches 30deg and the M88 engines kicks in and it shows .

 

Herald , you supposed to understand what I just said so stop your crap , thank you .

 

Cheers .



The Rafale went to burner in an oh shit moment, stupid.
 
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Bluewings12       6/23/2009 9:40:00 PM
Nice try and nice excuse Beazz but your explanation does not stand , the video is very clear . The pilot ejected because he knew that his jet was unable to recover and that 's it .
A Rafale would have simply completed the figure and get some applause .
 
h*tp://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/6-59562.aspx
 
Cheers .
 
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Bluewings12       6/23/2009 9:44:31 PM
Herald :
""The Rafale went to burner in an oh shit moment, stupid.""
 
Yeah right !  It has to !
Fortunatly , it wasn 't a F-teen ...
 
Cheers .

 
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Bluewings12       6/23/2009 9:46:52 PM
I said :
""Fortunatly , it wasn 't a F-teen ...""
 
Or a F-35 .
 
Cheers .
 
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Herald12345    he pilot in the Rafale bolo went to burner and piutched up in desperation because he saw his goof up by looking out the cockpit as he descended into i   6/23/2009 9:52:11 PM

Nice try and nice excuse Beazz but your explanation does not stand , the video is very clear . The pilot ejected because he knew that his jet was unable to recover and that 's it .

A Rafale would have simply completed the figure and get some applause .


 

h*tp://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/6-59562.aspx


 

Cheers .


Look at that video again, prevaricator.

If not a desperation maneuver and reheat , KABOOM! Like I said you don't know what you discuss, and you lie when you pretend you do.
 
I would think you would at least pay close attention to what you see around you as a truck driver. Based on the evidence you so freely give about your lack of attention to detail and what you miss (obvious), I don't see how you expect us to take your declarations as anything but the ravings of a fanboy, that is those declarations (fantasies) you hope to palm off as fact that aren't instead your outright lies.. 
 
Herald
 
 
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ArtyEngineer    F16 Crash   6/23/2009 9:52:30 PM
Folks, here is a link to the details of the Thunderbirds Crash at Mountain Home AFB:
 
 
Bottom line is the Pilot had 1000ft less altitude AGL than he thought he did to complete his Split S.
 
If BW believes the Rafale cold have pulled out of this situation then quite frankly its a shame I have to do random drug tests as I would be wanting some of whatever hes smoking :)  Or is the ability to generate some sort of Gravity neutralising inertial dampening field another feature of the legendary SPECTRA that we are currently unaware of!!!!
 
Regards
 
Arty
 
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Bluewings12       6/23/2009 10:06:29 PM
Nice find Arty :-)
 
The US pilot indeed made a gross mistake but as I said before :
""From 0:24 seconds to the crash , the F-16 is not flying anymore , it is SINKING . The jet is UNABLE to get any lift and its AoA (angle of attack) is piss poor . Then , it also lacks the needed thrust to escape the ground .""
 
A Rafale would have completed the loop , that I have no doubt and it is why I said :
""NOW , look again at the Rafale video over the Ocean and check from 0:16 seconds to the end . The jet find its lift muuuch earlier on , then its AoA reaches 30deg and the M88 engines kicks in and it shows .""
 
Look again at the F-16 video and tell me that I 'm wrong ...
 
Cheers .
 
 
 
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Bluewings12       6/23/2009 10:14:34 PM
Gentlemen , you are actually wrongly trying to compare the Rafale Aerodynamics , flight characteristics , agility , thrust  , response time engines , etc with a F-16 . Are you all gone mad or what !?
 
There is no F-teen who can fly like a Rafale , keep that in your american minds . Bring your F-22 and try to fly as fast and as sharp as the Rafale does , then we 'll see .
 
Cheers .
 
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Herald12345    kOOK AT THE ALTITUDE OF THE TOP OF THE MANEUVER.   6/23/2009 10:16:30 PM

Nice find Arty :-)

 

The US pilot indeed made a gross mistake but as I said before :



""From 0:24 seconds to the crash , the F-16 is not flying anymore , it is SINKING . The jet is UNABLE to get any lift and its AoA (angle of attack) is piss poor . Then , it also lacks the needed thrust to escape the ground .""

 

A Rafale would have completed the loop , that I have no doubt and it is why I said :



""NOW , look again at the Rafale video over the Ocean and check from 0:16 seconds to the end . The jet find its lift muuuch earlier on , then its AoA reaches 30deg and the M88 engines kicks in and it shows .""

 

Look again at the F-16 video and tell me that I 'm wrong ...

 

Cheers .


 

 




I know its hard for you to admit that you can't see these obvious things but even you can't be that stupid.
 
Let me know when you catch on. 
 
 
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Bluewings12       6/23/2009 10:33:18 PM
It doesn ' t matter Herald !  The F-16 is simply unable to do anything and is simply sinking .
I am still telling you that a Rafale would have completed the loop . 
 
Cheers .
 
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