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Subject: Rafale Thread
Softwar    3/9/2009 9:47:25 AM
Started with hope that BW will limit his comments here instead of in every other Fighter thread. I'll start off with: 1 - no export sales 2 - no laser designator 3 - no AESA 4 - overpriced 4th gen fighter
 
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DarthAmerica       3/17/2009 3:14:05 PM

Darth - you made the admission - you have to live with it.  The fact that you keep dodging means even more to me.  Keep squirming - its a delight to watch.  You are unqualified and that settles it.  Herald has forgotten more about electronics than you have had hot dinners.

NO, you made the assumption, and you were wrong. I told you I teach a block of instruction, as an additional duty assignment, on the FBCB2. A system you are quite obviously unfamiliar with. A system I have used in combat to communicate with U.S. Army pilots who are also using it while flying helicopters. That you misunderstood and got personal is a sign of your own unprofessionalism. I told you before, I don't hold grudges. I do crush inaccurate arguments however and Herald's, was simple. With regard to Herald electronic knowledge, feel free to think what you want about him and his education. I've got my EE too so I can appreciate the knowledge. Now, if you want to finish the discussion in a professional manner and not trip yourself up on peoples political views and assumptions about others, let me know. This issue on touch screen displays however is settled and quite conclusively in my favor.

-DA 
 
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VelocityVector       3/17/2009 3:30:10 PM

It is a very curious thing to witness educated professionals become mired in ad hominum attacks on a message board where nobody except the proprietor has anything of material value at stake.  I doubt that Secretary Gates will base decisions on the content posted here.  Consider please.

v^2

 
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Softwar    Charade   3/17/2009 3:35:43 PM

It is a very curious thing to witness educated professionals become mired in ad hominum attacks on a message board where nobody except the proprietor has anything of material value at stake.  I doubt that Secretary Gates will base decisions on the content posted here.  Consider please.


v^2




It is interesting to note that one can mascarade and give the appearance of a professional - and thus be exposed to be nothing more than a very opinionated electronics tech.
 
Of course, Gates is not going to pay much attention to the Rafale - as we have noted before - except when the French Navy pilots need a carrier to remain qualified on - while the CdG is fixed.  Nice plane but its not going to sell much.  A footnote in aviation history when compared to the Mirage.
 
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DarthAmerica       3/17/2009 3:43:28 PM




It is a very curious thing to witness educated professionals become mired in ad hominum attacks on a message board where nobody except the proprietor has anything of material value at stake.  I doubt that Secretary Gates will base decisions on the content posted here.  Consider please.




v^2


It is interesting to note that one can mascarade and give the appearance of a professional - and thus be exposed to be nothing more than a very opinionated electronics tech.

 YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE PRETENDING AND OBVIOUSLY STILL VERY OBVIOUSLY WRONG IN YOUR FAILED ATTEMPTS TO GUESS AT WHAT I DO.


Noted V^2, however it is Softwar and Herald who will not let rest that I voted a certain way. So instead of trying to understand they use insults to cover for ignorance because they are afraid to admit they don't know something. In any case, their ignorance has been proven and incidentally fixed by me with my post explaining the utility of the devices and technology in question. Whether they admit it or not is an integrity issue they need to work out themselves.

-DA 
 
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Softwar       3/17/2009 3:58:14 PM
No apologies necessary Darth - you are an Army instructor in electronics - that's a fine profession but certainly does not make you the member of the General staff you pump yourself up to be.  What - E5 maybe?  Okay - I know plenty of E5s they are great guys to work with.
 
So - let's turn back to Rafale here.  I understand that Kuwait says it might actually buy some along with a frigate.  Kinda fits considering the State dept. documents on Kuwait noted that they were being strong armed by certain UN Security Council members to make arms purchases in exchange for their kind support during certain crisis periods involving Iraq.
 
 
 
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DarthAmerica       3/17/2009 4:09:03 PM

No apologies necessary Darth - you are an Army instructor in electronics - that's a fine profession but certainly does not make you the member of the General staff you pump yourself up to be.  What - E5 maybe?  Okay - I know plenty of E5s they are great guys to work with.

 
Again, you are demonstrating more ignorance. Tell me what Army MOS is electronics instructor? Its clear your ignorance extends into not understanding the way the Army trains soldiers but I digress. I have been an EWO before though. Again, that was an additional duty assignment where I got to work with USN EA-6 and F/A-18 crews who got assigned to the U.S. Army as attachments to help in the counter IED fight. I've also been an E5. I've been a Commissioned Officer too. So while you are struggling to insult and belittle me, all you are really doing is showing how far removed from you are from reality and how diverse my experiences are. I guess that I'm a successful EE in the private sector who also runs his own small business now sort of makes me an electronics geek and I wear that title proudly. But for all your insults you are nothing more than a cubicle worker who never actually gets to see what happens when theory is applied...

...Thats why you didn't know that we use touchscreens in combat vehicles from Humvees to Fighter jets. But why would you? 

-DA 
 
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Softwar    You Are a Riot Darth   3/17/2009 4:48:24 PM
Oh Daaarrrtthh... I know about touch screens and a host of other things about touch screens you might not even know about.  Dude - I can take apart an ELO or Planar with my eyes closed. 
 
Hey I can also tour the F-35 and F-18 websites with the best of them...  Nice pics but not what Herald was talking about.
 
So sweet that you bent your Army instructor fingers today to try and dispell the impression that you are nothing but a lowly electronics tech.  I find your humor both amusing and enlightening.
 
Of course, the fact remains that such screens are not mounted with 8 g turns in mind - simply physics dear lad.  Thus the reason for push buttons. 
 
Of course, if we were talking about electronic jokes it woudl be something like this...  So an NPN transistor walked into a bar and the bartender said ... why the long face?
 
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DarthAmerica       3/17/2009 5:00:26 PM

Oh Daaarrrtthh... I know about touch screens and a host of other things about touch screens you might not even know about.  Dude - I can take apart an ELO or Planar with my eyes closed. 

Hey I can also tour the F-35 and F-18 websites with the best of them...  Nice pics but not what Herald was talking about.

So sweet that you bent your Army instructor fingers today to try and dispell the impression that you are nothing but a lowly electronics tech.  I find your humor both amusing and enlightening.

Of course, the fact remains that such screens are not mounted with 8 g turns in mind - simply physics dear lad.  Thus the reason for push buttons. 

Of course, if we were talking about electronic jokes it woudl be something like this...  So an NPN transistor walked into a bar and the bartender said ... why the long face?

I find it amusing that you would insult people who are actual techs in various branches of service when you have never done so yourself. Again, what I do gives me leaps and bounds advantage over you in terms of understanding these subjects. You are a cubicle worker and based solely on your replies you are no in any position that would give you an advantage in these debates. 

Bottom line through all your nonsense, personal attacks and general stupidity you are claiming that touch screens aren't mounted with 8g+ platforms in mind, I showed you the opposite and explained how they are used. Egg on your face. Go clean up your reputation and come back, Ill shed more light on the darkness that represents your knowledge of military affairs. 

 -DA
 
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Beazz       3/17/2009 6:49:44 PM




Oh Daaarrrtthh... I know about touch screens and a host of other things about touch screens you might not even know about.  Dude - I can take apart an ELO or Planar with my eyes closed. 




Hey I can also tour the F-35 and F-18 websites with the best of them...  Nice pics but not what Herald was talking about.




So sweet that you bent your Army instructor fingers today to try and dispell the impression that you are nothing but a lowly electronics tech.  I find your humor both amusing and enlightening.




Of course, the fact remains that such screens are not mounted with 8 g turns in mind - simply physics dear lad.  Thus the reason for push buttons. 




Of course, if we were talking about electronic jokes it woudl be something like this...  So an NPN transistor walked into a bar and the bartender said ... why the long face?





I find it amusing that you would insult people who are actual techs in various branches of service when you have never done so yourself. Again, what I do gives me leaps and bounds advantage over you in terms of understanding these subjects. You are a cubicle worker and based solely on your replies you are no in any position that would give you an advantage in these debates. 




Bottom line through all your nonsense, personal attacks and general stupidity you are claiming that touch screens aren't mounted with 8g+ platforms in mind, I showed you the opposite and explained how they are used. Egg on your face. Go clean up your reputation and come back, Ill shed more light on the darkness that represents your knowledge of military affairs. 






 -DA


DA,
I guess maybe I am not understanding what exactly it you are saying through all this. Are you actually saying that a pilot could actually have the wherewithall to be able to reach out and touch a screen and hit the spot he wants on top of it while in the middle of an 8G turn? I understand the *platform* may be capable of it, but come on, you can't honestly think a human being could actually do that? I may not be a pilot, but I have watched videos of these guys while in these high G manuevers and it seems to be it's all they can do to stay concious and fly the plane. Even pushing a button on a HOTAS would be a major feat it seems to me and reaching out and hitting a screen where you want to seems outright beyond the abilitys of any human being I have even known.
 
Again, maybe I just am misunderstanding what you are saying though.
 
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DarthAmerica       3/17/2009 7:03:52 PM









Oh Daaarrrtthh... I know about touch screens and a host of other things about touch screens you might not even know about.  Dude - I can take apart an ELO or Planar with my eyes closed. 










Hey I can also tour the F-35 and F-18 websites with the best of them...  Nice pics but not what Herald was talking about.










So sweet that you bent your Army instructor fingers today to try and dispell the impression that you are nothing but a lowly electronics tech.  I find your humor both amusing and enlightening.










Of course, the fact remains that such screens are not mounted with 8 g turns in mind - simply physics dear lad.  Thus the reason for push buttons. 










Of course, if we were talking about electronic jokes it woudl be something like this...  So an NPN transistor walked into a bar and the bartender said ... why the long face?












I find it amusing that you would insult people who are actual techs in various branches of service when you have never done so yourself. Again, what I do gives me leaps and bounds advantage over you in terms of understanding these subjects. You are a cubicle worker and based solely on your replies you are no in any position that would give you an advantage in these debates. 










Bottom line through all your nonsense, personal attacks and general stupidity you are claiming that touch screens aren't mounted with 8g+ platforms in mind, I showed you the opposite and explained how they are used. Egg on your face. Go clean up your reputation and come back, Ill shed more light on the darkness that represents your knowledge of military affairs. 
















 -DA






DA,

I guess maybe I am not understanding what exactly it you are saying through all this. Are you actually saying that a pilot could actually have the wherewithall to be able to reach out and touch a screen and hit the spot he wants on top of it while in the middle of an 8G turn? I understand the *platform* may be capable of it, but come on, you can't honestly think a human being could actually do that? I may not be a pilot, but I have watched videos of these guys while in these high G manuevers and it seems to be it's all they can do to stay concious and fly the plane. Even pushing a button on a HOTAS would be a major feat it seems to me and reaching out and hitting a screen where you want to seems outright beyond the abilitys of any human being I have even known.

 

Again, maybe I just am misunderstanding what you are saying though.


It's certainly not what I'm saying. What I mean is that just because the platform is capable of violent maneuver, that doesn't mean you can't use a touch screen interface. Quite obviously while the vehicle/aircraft is in violent motion, the user will be braced and not touching a display but rather using the controls. However, when performing battle management or other activities, the touch screen can be utilized. Thats what I meant when I said originally that touch screen is for some situations while in others the controls need to be more immediately accessible such as a HOTAS configuration. In any case, the vast majority of the time in any platform is not going to be spent in violent maneuver.


-DA 

 
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