You miss the point that internal jammer capability is very good also for BVR AtoA.

And you don't carry an external pod for AtoA.

And it is why USAF added internal jammer for F15 (and probably after experienced massive losses vs M2000 in AtoA combat exercise in the nineties where F15 radar were simply unable to lock on M2000 due to its internal ECM leading to massive 30:1 ratio in AtoA combat for M2000)

But the BVR combat is for dedicated F15 wings in USAF even F16 have BVR capability.

 

I sayit again, AESA radar jammer capability is a nice to have which is well marketed by radar builders but a very marginal one since narrow band (covering only a part of X band).

It does not replace a real jammer and would be almost useless unless it cover the russian BVR AMRAAMsky band at least.

Again ignorants believes easily defense marketing.

It was described in an Air Et Cosmos (paper) article on Red Flag (in 1992 or 1996 if I remember well)  and well known in fighter community.I think it is in those Red Flag where french pilots achieved incredible results which shocked USAF.

A French pilot has achieved a 33 to 1 ratio and all french pilots were in the top 12 pilots among 350 pilots including USAF or British..A legacy of M2000 C-RDI in the 1990-1994 period were it was unmatched. (after it was different with AMRAAM introduction and other US improvements -

 

Obvioulsy you have non contact in F 15 fighter community on nineties or you would know that.

 

On F15 A there was no jammer it seems (only pods available).AN/ALQ 135 was for F15C

 

BTW you did not understood what I said in former post on UAE F16 (as usual )

Without a competitor , there is few chance that USAF sell a better system than they have.

Document underline that it was the first time due to Rafale competition and it was the reason I provide the socreboard and the link.

If a F35 is on par or an evolved Rafale or better on stealth, there is no chance US would sell a super F35 only for export.

You have really difficulties in reading and understanding, it seems.

ANd of course I know evertyhing which is public on Grumman falcon edge ECM suit.Quite similar to rafale one but not integrated on a LO aircraft (you had only a 3 B$ R&D budget to develop F16 block 60).

So no RCS pattern management combined with ECM.

Phaid is an amateur like you Herald, but unless you he doesn't insult and admit sometime he was wrong like on MMIC for rafale spectra.

I never lie.

Phaid, 

 

As always, everything you've said in the last several posts in right on target and shows you have an intimate knowledge of this subject. 

 

I agree that the UAE F-16 Block 60 sale and the F-15S/K/etc. sales show that if we want to we will sell aircraft with internal ECM equal or superior to what our own aircraft carry. Naturally, if there is no threat that justifies such advanced capability, then there's less reason to sell equipment that sophisticated, so export F-35 may not need to carry better ECM than American F-35. That's what happens when the aircraft's passive RCS is so small that there is insufficient threat to justify needing to add all that extra electronics. And since the biggest increase in threat to us or any F-35 foreign sales customer that could potentially emerge in the next five years or so would be if the French manage to sell some Rafale to a country that is a threat to whoever buys our F-35s, we both know that means there won't be any increase in threat levels any time soon. 

 

I don't know off-hand whether the original F-15As back 30 years ago started out with internal ECM, but I don't doubt you and anyway, who cares about back then when we're talking about combat today and what the F-35 might carry? Certainly since the 1990's the F-15C and F-15E have had the AN/ALQ-135, and those are the only versions we fly anymore, anyway. (Unless maybe there's still a few ANG F-15As still flying?) The F-16s and F-18s, being non-stealthy, carry ECM/towed decoy pods and once again can also count on significant EW support from off-board jammers. 

 

Of course you are right on target regarding X-band and BVR combat. This is by far the most important frequency range of interest, covering the large majority of threat AI radars and missile active radars, like the R-77. Considering again our system of systems and overall situational awareness jamming the forward arc in X-band will be the lion's share of all jamming needs for BVR. And again I will be laughing my ass off if/when it turns out F-35 will have towed decoys as well, and thus can very capably defend itself from all aspects even if an enemy ever manages to lock up and engage an F-35 from the flank or rear. 

 

 

Phaid/Herald,

To clarify I meant with regard to the F-35, because of its stealth which allows it to evade or even disregard more distant potential threats from the flanks and rear that could engage a non-stealthy jet.