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Subject: ***Super Hornet Bible Prophecy: Deuteronomy 7:20***
DarthAmerica    9/13/2007 8:40:31 PM
"Moreover the LORD thy God will send the hornet among them, until they that are left, and hide themselves from thee, be destroyed." --Deuteronomy 7:20 Modern Translation Here: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2007/03/13/212600/ultra-hornet.html Ultra Hornet By Graham Warwick Boeing and the US Navy are poised to expand and exploit the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet's capability for precision engagement and battle management now the upgraded platform is matched to the latest avionics While debate rages over the hallmarks and advantages of fifth-generation fighters, Boeing is preparing to deliver the next generation of its long-running F/A-18. The F/A-18E/F Block II+ Super Hornet is the culmination of a fundamental upgrade of the multi-role fighter and the foundation for future capability expansion. Next-generation Super Hornet deliveries to the US Navy will begin later this year when the first aircraft from production Lot 30 rolls off the St Louis, Missouri assembly line. "Lot 30 is the launch point for Block II+," says Kory Mathews, director of F/A-18 programme integration. Today's F/A-18E/F Super Hornet was developed from the original F/A-18 Hornet in two stages: first an airframe and engine upgrade that scaled the fighter up by 25% to increase range, payload and growth capacity then a multi-phase avionics update that introduced advanced sensors. Lot 30 is the first time the structural upgrade that produced the F/A-18E/F comes together with the full suite of advanced avionics, and is the jumping-off point for the Capability Flightplan - a roadmap of enhancements planned to be developed and fielded over the next decade. Robust roadmap "We have a robust, well-defined capability roadmap in four main areas: distributed targeting, net-centric operations/battlespace management, sensor integration and advanced weapons," says Mathews. The Flightplan covers fiscal years 2008-2014, and will be updated annually. "It is a living document," he says. "We can add, accelerate or eliminate capabilities." The launching point for the Capability Flightplan is the avionics architecture implemented incrementally since deliveries of the Block II Super Hornet began in 2005 with production Lot 26, and fully realised beginning with Lot 30. The architecture backbone is a fibre-optic data network and advanced mission computer (AMC). Block II+ uses the latest Type 3 AMC, produced by General Dynamics Information Systems, with two times the throughput and memory of the Type 2 computer in Block II Super Hornets. Plugged into this architecture are the new APG-79 active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar AAS-46 advanced tactical forward-looking infrared (ATFLIR) pod digital sold-state recorder (DSSR) accurate navigation (ANAV) system and Link 16 multifunctional information distribution system (MIDS). "Beginning with Lot 30, every aircraft will have AESA," says Mathews. Until then, some F/A-18E/Fs are being delivered with the earlier mechanically scanned APG-73 radar. The US Navy plans to retrofit 135 APG-73-equipped Block II Super Hornets with APG-79, for an eventual total of 415 AESA-equipped aircraft. The Raytheon AESA brings the capability for simultaneous air-to-air and air-to-ground operation and, starting with Lot 30, two-seat F/A-18Fs will have the advanced crew station, which decouples the front and rear pits. "The front-seater can sanitise the airspace while the rear-seater conducts an air-to-ground campaign," says Mathews. Both crew members will have the joint helmet-mounted cueing system. Lot 30 also introduces the ANAV box, which replaces the F/A-18's CAINS inertial navigator and MAGR GPS receiver with a tightly integrated system that addresses obsolescence and provides "unprecedented air-to-ground accuracy", says Mathews. Another step in expanding the Super Hornet's precision attack capability has already been taken with fielding of the digital sold-state recorder. Replacing an analogue pit video recorder, the DSSR brings the capability to grab and store sensor images, and send them over existing communications links - either Link 16 or the ARC-210 digital radio. "On ingress, the crew can see ATFLIR streaming video in the pit, frame-grab a still image of the target and datalink it to the forward air controller, who looks at the image, annotates it with Blue Force positions and datalinks it back," Mathews says, cutting the time needed to "talk" the aircraft to the target to "low-digit minutes". With the Lot 30 aircraft as a starting point, the Flightplan lays out a roadmap for expanding the F/A-18E/F's precision-engagement and battle-management capabilities. Much of the focus is on air-to-ground operations, but the Super Hornet is to get an infrared search and track (IRST) sensor to increase air-to-air capability. Development of the IRST is funded beginning in FY2008, leading to fielding in 2012-13, says Mathews. A targeting, not imaging sensor,
 
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Phaid       9/14/2007 10:43:43 AM
I see that, yet again, a French troll is the first reply to a post.  I guess the French have to be first in something.

I am reminded of something Stratege said yesterday:

I'm afraid that foreigners will leave those site which is overwhelmed by incompetent trolls.
I suggest that some trolls should be banned when they repeat again the same non sense agaisnt all serious evidence.

Now that is a good idea.
 
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DarthAmerica       9/14/2007 11:00:05 AM







As it actually is for the F-22. Just one example: by block 30 that radar she carries will look NOTHING like what the Block 10s carry. WHOLE different setup planned with vastly increased area coverage.

Herald





I'd like to see conformal arrays on F-22/35, F/A-18E/F, EA-18G and APG-77 in the F-15E.


-DA



For the F-22, I CONFIRM  conformals are her future. F-35?  I don't know about her or the others; we'll be flying UCAV slaves into A2A by the time those changes show up for the air fleet we have. We may build new ucav slaves  with conformals and use AWACs or satellites  for masters  to lob the A2A and A2G  ordnance we  fling at the clowns who shouldn't be in our sky or in our way on the ground.

I just don't know which way the USAF will jump on that one.

I prefer to  SMASH the enemy with mass as well as precision. So a mixed manned master/robot slave air force is MY preference.

Herald


Yeah I'm pretty sure from what I've read about F-22 its getting conformals. All OSINT but its convincing. The other fighters are just a preference of mine. It's interesting that you mention UCAS slave fighters. It's one of the biggest reasons I think we are moving on past Link-16 and adding BLOS communications capability.
Another thing that I read a while ago that go little attention was the public statements from the USAF about the battle management capabilites of the F-22 and its ability to enhance the effectiveness of other fighters through NCW(eventually) when WNW comes into full operation.
 
Regarding you wanting to use MASS. I would like to point out that in every conflict we have been in in the last 3 decades we have has both qualitative and quantitative advantage. I agree its something we should continue and cheap UCAS are a path to do that.
 
 
-DA
 
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Phaid       9/14/2007 1:40:46 PM

"" "The front-seater can sanitise the airspace while the rear-seater conducts an air-to-ground campaign," says Mathews.""
Welcome into the M2000/Rafale age .

BW,

Are you claiming that the Miracle2000 can fly  missions with the two crew members being able to undertake different offensive weapons tasks at the same time?

Wasn't aware the M2000 had an uncoupled cockpit. I would be very surprised to hear that. As far as I am aware, not even the F-15E has the ability to do same at this avionics level.

Are you claiming that the Miracle pilot can fire A2A weapons at an enemy, whilst the GIB designates and deploys an A2G munition on a separate target simultaneously? 

Curious.

The aircrew in the Block 2 Hornet can independently target and engage any type of target simultaneously.  For example each could separately target an aircraft via their HMS and fire a missile at it.  Same with ground target or any combination thereof.  There is no other aircraft that can do that, although I suppose some aspects of it might be possible in e.g. an F-15E.

But beyond that, a Super Hornet crew has the ability to not only independently target with different weapons and sensors, but to independently and simultaneously use the radar in different modes against different targets.  That's what the article means by "sanitize the airspace while the GIB conducts a bombing campaign" -- the pilot can do TWS or whatever in the front seat, the GIB can do SAR/GMTI in the back seat.
 
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displacedjim       9/14/2007 5:41:22 PM
No, really, what do people think of this part?  Maybe it's just my turn to pick a fight, but doesn't this sound familiar?  What are the implications for semi-strealthy aircraft that are counting on self-protection jamming to make up the difference in protection that their lesser amount of passive stealth doesn't provide?  Does anyone think that if ALR-67(V) has this level of capability, that the ALR-94 on the F-22 and F-35 does not?  And what does it mean for jets like F-18E and F-35 with their IRSTs and AIM-9X with ranges of well beyond 20km to conduct passive BVR intercepts?  Hmmm....
 
 

displacedjim       9/13/2007 10:19:48 PM

I like the sound of this part.  Assuming it ever gets refined to the point it can be used against moving (flying) targets, it could then possibly spell big trouble for anyone trying to mask their not-so-passively-stealthy jets by using advanced jamming techniques (and hence possibly becoming big flashing neon sign emitting targets): 

 

"The ALR-67(V) is a digital cued receiver, and under the Flightplan its capability will be enhanced to allow single-ship geolocation of emitters with enough accuracy to cue the radar for targeting, says Mathews. The capability for multi-ship geolocation using three F/A-18E/Fs, accurate enough for passive targeting, will also be introduced." 

 

 
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DarthAmerica    DJim   9/14/2007 6:14:45 PM

No, really, what do people think of this part?  Maybe it's just my turn to pick a fight, but doesn't this sound familiar?  What are the implications for semi-strealthy aircraft that are counting on self-protection jamming to make up the difference in protection that their lesser amount of passive stealth doesn't provide?  Does anyone think that if ALR-67(V) has this level of capability, that the ALR-94 on the F-22 and F-35 does not?  And what does it mean for jets like F-18E and F-35 with their IRSTs and AIM-9X with ranges of well beyond 20km to conduct passive BVR intercepts?  Hmmm....


 

 










displacedjim       9/13/2007 10:19:48 PM




I like the sound of this part.  Assuming it ever gets refined to the point it can be used against moving (flying) targets, it could then possibly spell big trouble for anyone trying to mask their not-so-passively-stealthy jets by using advanced jamming techniques (and hence possibly becoming big flashing neon sign emitting targets): 


 


"The ALR-67(V) is a digital cued receiver, and under the Flightplan its capability will be enhanced to allow single-ship geolocation of emitters with enough accuracy to cue the radar for targeting, says Mathews. The capability for multi-ship geolocation using three F/A-18E/Fs, accurate enough for passive targeting, will also be introduced." 


 






Every sortie near or through contested airspace could generate weapons quality targeting.
 
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Phaid       9/15/2007 4:47:37 AM
No, really, what do people think of this part?  Maybe it's just my turn to pick a fight, but doesn't this sound familiar?  What are the implications for semi-strealthy aircraft that are counting on self-protection jamming to make up the difference in protection that their lesser amount of passive stealth doesn't provide?  Does anyone think that if ALR-67(V) has this level of capability, that the ALR-94 on the F-22 and F-35 does not?  And what does it mean for jets like F-18E and F-35 with their IRSTs and AIM-9X with ranges of well beyond 20km to conduct passive BVR intercepts?  Hmmm....

My suspicion is that ALR-94 is already at or beyond those capabilities.  I believe the phrase F-22 drivers use is "ALR-94 knows all, including the color of your mother's underwear".

I don't know whether I really believe that capability would work against defensive ECM, because most DECM systems only broadcast in response to a threat.  I guess if the Rhinos are on CAP, and the bad guy is inbound and trying to suppress the Hawkeye's radar, it might work.

I also don't know whether I believe three aircraft could geolocate a directional emitter with good sidelobe suppression, i.e. a modern fighter radar, because in order for that to work all three aircraft would have to be in the radar's field of regard.  So I think the application in terms of "totally passive intercepts" is pretty limited, at least at any sort of long range.

Bottom line, the ability to very precisely get an angular fix on a radar and point some other sensor at it is a great capability, but I think it's really mostly a defensive one for air to air against modern threats.

On the other hand, for targeting search radars it's obviously a great capability.  It's like having an air wing full of Wild Weasels.  And it's why the F-22 will make the other guy's AWACs capability go away real fast.  Super Hornet, not so much, because I don't have any illusion about the difference between the range a Rhino shows up on an AWACS radar and its weapons envelope.
 
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DarthAmerica    Phaid Reply   9/15/2007 10:04:59 AM


 Super Hornet, not so much, because I don't have any illusion about the difference between the range a Rhino shows up on an AWACS radar and its weapons envelope.

The Rhino or Growler doesn't have to be the spear thrower. They can vector in F-35C for the kill shot. Also this is where slave UCAS systems can come it to wreak havoc once they enter service. A multiple axis attack by stealthy UCAS carrying the latest version of the AMRAAM would be hard to stop.
-DA
 
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gf0012-aust       9/15/2007 10:22:47 AM



As it actually is for the F-22. Just one example: by block 30 that radar she carries will look NOTHING like what the Block 10s carry. WHOLE different setup planned with vastly increased area coverage.

Herald


I'd like to see conformal arrays on F-22/35, F/A-18E/F, EA-18G and APG-77 in the F-15E.

-DA



I'd be betting that you'll see conformal arrays on UAV/UCAV's before you see them on the F-22..  The UAV/UCAV mules are already in the pipeline whereas F-22 would require some surgery - and certainly IMV, the existing planar arrays suffice.  it's a different issue for subs (remember my hints about aerodynamics and fluid dynamics being close cousins?).
 
conformals  (esp for aircraft) are one of those techs that even 18months ago would have seemed buck rogers material, but the rate of progress in the last 12 months has been extraordinary.
 
the other issue is that its far easier to apply conformals on greenfield platforms rather than on those that are already gold.  otherwise you'd have to go through a recertification process again.  and I can't see that happening on the F-22 as its not a trivial task.  What would be interesting is the electrical conversion opportunities on the JSF-B's.  If you miniaturise the superconductor engines designed for the electromagnetic catapults, or the electromagnetic shaftless engines for subs (and the original test mules may already fit  inside a JSF-B) then thats one hell of a generator to give juice to the sensor systems.  1/3rd comparative weight and 2-3x output per given footprint. Focused beam fighting is not that far from a reality.
 
my 2c anyway.
 
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