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Subject: F-35 Delivery Schedule (OFFICIAL)
dwightlooi    9/4/2007 11:01:28 PM
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Link to original official document.


Looks like the world's advanced multi-role fighter is also shaping up to be the world's most numerous multi-role fighter. 3173 aircrafts and the list does not yet include extremely likely customers like Singapore, Japan, Korea and Israel.
 
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DropBear       9/4/2007 11:47:34 PM
 
They may want to adjust the forecasting under the Australian category. I believe Dr Nelson prefers to forego the earlier blocks, hence the SH buy to tide us over for several more years.
 
2013, more than likely.
 
 
 
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Claymore       9/5/2007 12:21:27 AM
Countdown until we start hearing about SPECTRA, OSF and the Rafale.........
 
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french stratege       9/5/2007 5:17:06 AM
Interesting
I observe that UK will not have a squadron operational on their carrier before 2015.

Countdown until we start hearing about SPECTRA, OSF and the Rafale.........
Frankly it is not the point.Now we should probably produce 4/500 Rafale and it would not be bad at the end.We will export it soon or late.
 
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Phaid       9/5/2007 6:07:23 AM
I observe that UK will not have a squadron operational on their carrier before 2015.

Eh, the first carrier wouldn't really be ready for use until then anyway.  When Queen Elizabeth enters service in 2012-2013 they will have Harriers and about 3 JSF to refamiliarize themselves with big deck carrier operations.  Integrating a brand new ship and a brand new airframe is not going to happen quickly.  How long did it take for CdG to operate more than two Rafale?  By the time both carriers are in service and fully shaken down, they will have plenty of JSFs.
 
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dwightlooi       9/5/2007 6:38:57 PM
Well, maybe Dr Nelson will have to consider his position. Part of the agreement is to "normalize" the price of the F-35 for all customers US or foreign.

Basically, the earlier LRIP aircrafts and later jets will not be priced very differently. This is a departure from previous military aircraft procurement models where the customer pays the current production cost plus a profit for the manufacturer and (in the case of exports) an R&D tab to Uncle Sam. Under this traditional scheme LRIP aircrafts can cost two or three times as much as later batches. Instead they are trying to adopt the commercial aircraft model whereby the cost is averaged out so LRIP and FRP aircrafts will cost roughly the same minus inflation and other factors even if they may cost more to build initially and less at a later date. When Boeing sells an "early slot" 787 to be delivered in 2008 vs a post ramp-up slot in 2010, the customer does not pay more. In fact, they get a launch customer discount for the most parts. You can forget the launch customer discount when it comes to the F-35, but the concept of normalizing the costs based on projections is the same. L-M and Uncle Sam will simply have to pay for the difference early on and profit from the difference a a later date.

This is why customers are asked to finalize their requirements and schedules.

 
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sentinel28a       9/5/2007 10:04:53 PM
Didn't realize that Italy was buying F-35s.  I assume it'll be the C variant for use on the Garibaldi class.
 
 
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DropBear       9/6/2007 2:05:17 AM
Well, maybe Dr Nelson will have to consider his position. Part of the agreement is to "normalize" the price of the F-35 for all customers US or foreign.

We (Oz) haven't even formalised the decision to buy the F-35 anyway. That is still some time off yet.

We are getting 24 F-18F to be delivered in 2010. We are in no hurry to placate Uncle Sam or LM wrt prices of F-35 in their early block stages.



 
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gf0012-aust       9/6/2007 2:26:33 AM

Well, maybe Dr Nelson will have to consider his position. Part of the agreement is to "normalize" the price of the F-35 for all customers US or foreign.

We (Oz) haven't even formalised the decision to buy the F-35 anyway. That is still some time off yet.

We are getting 24 F-18F to be delivered in 2010. We are in no hurry to placate Uncle Sam or LM wrt prices of F-35 in their early block stages.



actually, my understanding is that we are going to give an indicative by November.  In fact, I would suspect that the US team currently in Aust is having some serious discussions already.
what may influence this is if we have a change of govt - and I'd suspect that we are going to see a raft of contracts fast tracked through earlier rather than later so as to make it difficult for any incoming govt to change (if it was so inclined).
 
everything I have heard is that the superslugs will be supplementary to JSF numbers anyway.  we will actually end up with a 20% boost in front line aircraft and maintain a 2 platform FWCA fleet.

 
 
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stingray1003       9/6/2007 2:38:46 AM
Yes Australia will have ~124 fighter/strike aircraft. 100 F-35's and 24 Superbugs. The Bugs I would imagine would still be useful as EF-18's/growlers as they can be fitted as such.
 
 
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dwightlooi       9/6/2007 8:21:38 AM

Well, maybe Dr Nelson will have to consider his position. Part of the agreement is to "normalize" the price of the F-35 for all customers US or foreign.

We (Oz) haven't even formalised the decision to buy the F-35 anyway. That is still some time off yet.

We are getting 24 F-18F to be delivered in 2010. We are in no hurry to placate Uncle Sam or LM wrt prices of F-35 in their early block stages.

I think you are missing the point entirely. The POINT is that there is not going to be early block prices and later block prices. The prices will be the same save for inflation -- ie NORMALIZED -- just like commercial aircrafts. It is not going to be current cost of manufacture + profits. It is going to be averaged cost of production adjusted for current year dollars. So for instance a 2009 F-35 may cost $100M to build but will sell for $50 million and a 2015 F-35 may cost $35 million to build and sell for $50 million. This is a departure from previous military aircraft procurement practices.

 
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