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Subject: Why Muslims are Poor?
enlighten    11/26/2005 8:37:18 PM
The combined annual GDP of 57 Muslim countries remains under $2 trillion. America , just by herself, produces goods and services worth $10.4 trillion; China $5.7 trillion, Japan $3.5 trillion and Germany $2.1 trillion. Even India 's GDP is estimated at over $3 trillion (purchasing power parity basis). Oil rich Saudi Arabia , U.A.E., Kuwait and Qatar collectively produce goods and services (mostly oil) worth $430 billion; Netherlands alone has a higher annual GDP while Buddhist Thailand produces goods and services worth $429 billion. Muslims are 22 percent of the world population and produce less than five percent of global GDP. Even more worrying is that the Muslim countries' GDP as a percent of the global GDP is going down over time. The Arabs, it seems, are particularly worse off. According to the United Nations' Arab Development Report: "Half of Arab women cannot read; One in five Arabs live on less than $2 per day; Only 1 percent of the Arab population has a personal computer, and only half of 1 percent use the Internet; Fifteen percent of the Arab workforce is unemployed, and this number could double by 2010; The average growth rate of the per capita income during the preceding 20 years in the Arab world was only one-half of 1 percent per annum, worse than anywhere but sub-Saharan Africa." The planet's poorest countries include Ethiopia , Sierra Leone , Afghanistan , Cambodia , Somalia , Nigeria , Pakistan and Mozambique . At least six of the poorest of the poor are countries with a Muslim majority. Conclusion: Muslims of the world are among the poorest of the poor. Fifty-seven Muslim majority countries have an average of ten universities each for a total of less than 600 universities for 1.4 billion people; India has 8,407 universities, the U.S. has 5,758. From within 1.4 billion Muslims Abdus Salam and Ahmed Zewail are the only two Muslim men who won a Nobel Prize in physics and chemistry (Salam pursued his scientific work in Italy and the UK , Zewail at California Institute of Technology). Dr Salam in his home country is not even considered a Muslim. Over the past 105 years, 1.4 billion Muslims have produced eight Nobel Laureates while a mere 14 million Jews have produced 167 Nobel Laureates. Of the 1.4 billion Muslims less than 300,000 qualify as 'scientists', and that converts to a ratio of 230 scientists per one million Muslims. The United States of America has 1.1 million scientists (4,099 per million); Japan has 700,000 (5,095 per million). Fact: Of the 1.4 billion Muslims 800 million are illiterate (6 out of 10 Muslims cannot read). In Christendom, adult literacy rate stands at 78 percent. Consider, for instance, that Muslims constitute 22 percent of world population with a 1 percent share of Nobel Prizes. Jews constitute 0.23 percent of world population with a 22 percent share of Nobel Prizes. What really went wrong? Muslims are poor, illiterate and weak. What went wrong? Arriving at the right diagnosis is extremely critical because the prescription depends on it. Consider this: Here is the reason The cause of the poverty and ignorance of Muslims is Islam. It is the five times prayers, it is the one month fasting, it is the reading of the Quran instead of science, it is the wasting of people's time teaching them the Islamic way of defecation, urination and copulation, and it is observing all those stupid Islamic rituals that has made Muslims backward, lazy and poor. How by doing more of the same Dr. Saleem, do you expect to remedy the problem? This kind of mentality is mind-boggling. Only a Muslim can be so blinded by his faith that cannot see the forest for the trees. Dr. Saleem, you got it all wrong my man. What past you want us to return to? The past of Islam is all savagery, war and mayhem. Well, Osama Bin Laden and his ilk are trying to go back to that past. Are you with them? Isn't funny that not even our good doctor is sure that such “glorious” past ever existed? He says we should return to our “imagined” past. In other words go after a fantasy, an illusion, a mirage! I don't know whether I should laugh or cry. Dr. Saleem’s diagnosis number 2 is even funnier. First he says “Muslims are poor, illiterate and weak because we have refused to change with time.” Fair enough! But then he surprises us and concludes “Keep pace with time -- al Quran” Can’t you see doctor that this al Quran is the very cause of our backwardness? It is this damn al-Quran that does not let us go forward. What does this book teach us? Hate, and hate and more hate! That is all you learn from this book. Okay, I take that back. You learn also that there are Jinns all around us watching whatever we do. (Darn! From today I am going to take my showers in my seeming suit; and to change, I will cover myself with a towel, just in case a voyeur gay jinn is sitting in front of me watching.) It also teaches that the mountains are like pegs, holding t
 
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Michael Vilkin       9/6/2006 9:05:56 PM
I'd say it's not simple with Koran. Religous text should not be understood literally. If you are a Christian, and I come to you and deliver a blow to your left cheek, would you turn the other cheek? I'd not bet on it.
Here is why Muslims are poor, and why Mexicans are poor.
First, definition of standard of living. Standard of living may be described as affordability of goods and services. The more we produce the more we consume or save. We have to produce more. But... more of what? GDP is not a good measure. Litigation lawyers sue everyone in sight, and get paid about a third of the loot. Asbestos, tobacco, Big Pfarma, discrimination... you name it. What they earn constitutes income. All income is added to GDP. Here is a question. Are we richer because trial lawyers make millions of dollars? No, just the opposite. Litigation expenses and losses have been added to the price of tobacco, and now those of us who smoke are paying the price. My point is that our real GDP is not real at all. Parasitic services like litigation should be excluded. When a farmer delivers a few thousand chickens to the market, we all get richer, because we can eat those chickens. The problem with litigation lawyers, as I understand it, is that we don't eat lawyers.
Back to the topic. People in any country can have a high standard of living if they produce housing, food, clothing, etc. If Mexicans could build a nice house or apartment for every family, they would not be poor.
Why they don't build enough? In Mexico, they did not have a modern banking system until recently. They could not get a mortgage. Who can buy a house for cash, except for drug dealers? When people don't buy, nobody builds. When nobody builds, everyone is poor, because everyone lives in slams.
In Islamic countries there is also a problem with mortgage. Koran prohibits charging interest on a loan. It is called something like "ribah", and it's prohibited. There are Islamic banks, and they provide credit, and make profit, but they refuse to admit that profit constitutes interest. In a few words, profit is not measured in percents. They provide financing to the partnership they form with you, they will build a house, and they use creative accounting to say that profit is not interest.
Still, Islam did not prevent Iran from building a nice military industry with help of a few thousand scientists and specialists from the former Soviet Union. I will try to translate from Russian to English an article about new Iranian combat aircraft, and I will post it in news or here.
 
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chupooey    time frame does matter   9/7/2006 3:57:30 AM
as they say money and power keep changing hands. a time frame for these things is very important to attribute. one can argue that this time around majority of muslims of muslims are poor, why i say majority is poor because by your own definition of richness based on GDP and UN definitioan of HDI, check the GDP/capita and HDI of the countries like qatar, uae, saudi arabia, malaysia, maldives. coming back again to the point who knows, after japan,  british empire, germany, ussr.... who is next to be in the list of loosers in the times to come.
 
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Killuminati       11/10/2014 1:11:02 PM
Your stats are great and all, but let's be honest. You, yourself, know your post analysis is shit. We can say the same thing of all Jews and Christians during the Medevil era and say all should have been like the Muslim. Yes, that correct. So your analysis gets an 'F'. Simply put, modern science and math was first discovered during Andalusian times. There's just NO debating that. Furthermore, the Islamic contribution and discover is undeniable, from Algebre to Calculus to Astrology, the Europeans could not even wipe their asses properly without dying from bacterial fungus. If we are to criticize the development in the Muslim world or its lack of, we must also consider 'other' poor Non-Muslim nations, and World Bank as well as IMF policy in those nations, and that's simply scratching the surface. Where you are fair in pointing out is the numbers are staggering somewhere is the self help treatment? Yes, after years of cultural stagflation it seems these people are not going to contribute to the. Math and science aspects of Nobel laureates. One might just ask, "why do we need Alfred Nobles' hideous award ceremony anyways? All it has is add to the guaranteed destruction of the world, the majority of he. Manhattan project scientists were commemorated, so for creating thermonuclear capable weapons you are considered more important and thanked than Christ? One is about a Salvation and being better, the other about getting bigger by violently competing with anyone or thing. You post conclusion is fueled by rage and hate. There are other benefits people can obtain from he Muslim world and it's rich history and past, namely a Spiritual salvation and discovery.
 
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keffler25       11/10/2014 5:39:56 PM
 
 
 
As for MODERN science, (Darwin, Hubble, Bohr, Einstein, Keynes et al); no bunch of 'apologists' and 'fantasists' is going to be able to deny that EUROPEAN and ASIAN scientists are the true architects of what we currently understand as science.
 
Even Egyptology (which should at least be Egyptian) is actually AMERICAN, British, French, and German archeology.
 
You can claim whatever you want, but the facts are there in the scientific journals. Even the ARAB ones. 
 
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HR    kefflerian logic...   11/11/2014 11:21:48 AM
The word algebra is of Arabic origin as well as azimuth, logarithm, etc. To dismiss in such a cavalier way an entire body of knowledge shows a cultural insensitivity of the first order.
 
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keffler25       11/11/2014 12:16:20 PM
You are not very bright. Where the HELL did you think the 9th century Arabian savages learned their so-called Arabian science?
 
Persia, India, China, and THE BYZANTINE EMPIRE.
 
Already existent. The Arabs were merely a transmitting culture of other's learning^1, They were and are NOT an inventive one.  
 
Even their so-called religion is warmed over ersatz Judaism, mangled by a maniac to fit the peculiar mores of his culture.
 
Far from being inventive and original, modern  Moslem civilization is derivative and frankly not scientific..  
The word algebra is of Arabic origin as well as azimuth, logarithm, etc. To dismiss in such a cavalier way an entire body of knowledge shows a cultural insensitivity of the first order.

 
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HR    kefflerian L'Adroit   11/11/2014 4:40:26 PM
No my little grasshopper... the reason so many math terms have Arabic names is because the Arabs invented them.
 
 The pick up where the Byzantines / Greeks had left it and developed it further. 
 
And now that we are talking about Bithantium... welcome back from Earth orbit.
 
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keffler25       11/12/2014 8:25:54 AM
Naming something does NOT mean you invented it, incompetent.
 
Modern  examples:
 
RADAR is an American name for a British invented technology.
 
ASDIC was what the British called SONAR. Guess what echo ranging gear is called?
 
So you see, HR, you are WRONG again. Especially about algebra.
 
You failed LOGIC and science in school, didn't you?

No my little grasshopper... the reason so many math terms have Arabic names is because the Arabs invented them.

 

 The pick up where the Byzantines / Greeks had left it and developed it further. 

 

And now that we are talking about Bithantium... welcome back from Earth orbit.

 
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keffler25       11/12/2014 8:29:08 AM
"Bithantium."
 
AHA! You have a serious problem. I KNEW there was something wrong with you! 
 
 
 
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HR    Keffler of Arabia   11/12/2014 9:16:34 PM
I could barely contain my laughter!
 
"RADAR is an American name for a British invented technology." - I had my 14 year old son read this one and we both laugh like crazy. Zipper, velcro and Radar... what else can you compare to Algebra?
 
I continue to be amazed by your cultural ignorance and seeming lack of desire to improve it even by the smallest of fractions.
 
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