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Subject: Kashmir resolution.. straight from the horse's mouth
coolboyjay    11/16/2005 4:24:52 AM
There are a lot of pakistanis who have mentioned the UN resolution of 1948 time and again. I would like to throw some light on the resomution and what it asks the pakistani's to do. BTW, I know this would be refuted and viewed with suspicion.. but it is 100% true.. as it comes directly from the UN website. I am not going to put the whole resolution here but just some points. Now, I guess it time India says: Pakistan quit kashmir!!! http://www.un.int/pakistan/15480813.htm " As the presence of troops of Pakistan in the territory of the State of Jammu and Kashmir constitutes a material change in the situation since it was represented by the Government of Pakistan before the Security Council, the Government of Pakistan agrees to withdraw its troops from that State. The Government of Pakistan will use its best endeavour to secure the withdrawal from the State of Jammu and Kashmir of tribesmen and Pakistan nationals not normally resident therein who have entered the State for the purpose of fighting. Pending a final solution the territory evacuated by the Pakistan troops will be administered by the local authorities under the surveillance of the Commission. When the Commission shall have notified the Government of India that the tribesmen and Pakistan nationals referred to in Part II A 2 hereof have withdrawn, thereby terminating the situation which was represented by the Government of India to the Security Council as having occasioned the presence of Indian forces in the State of Jammu and Kashmir, and further, that the Pakistan forces are being withdrawn from the State of Jammu and Kashmir, the Government of India agrees to begin to withdraw the bulk of their forces from the State in stages to be agreed upon with the Commission. " See, even according to the UN, it is pakistan who is the aggressor, not India..
 
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counterstrike    RE:Kashmir resolution.. straight from the horse's mouth   11/18/2005 10:01:46 AM
>>Despite of the most miserable condition of Kashmiri people u r happy because u got a part of land...gentleman, it's not a problem of a territory only. It's a matter of kashmir people right of self determination.<< well now what does Auyb think abt it territory or people * President Ayub Khan left no one in doubt about that. In December 1959, he said: 'Kashmir is vital for Pakistan, not only politically but militarily as well. Kashmir is a matter of life and death.' Speaking at the National Press Club, Washington, on July 13, 1961, he said: 'You might say, "Why can't you give up Kashmir?" Well, we cannot give up that dispute not because we are bloody-minded but... for example, for the reason that Kashmir is connected with our physical security. Thirty-two million acres in Pakistan are irrigated from rivers that start in Kashmir. Kashmir is important to us for our physical as well as economic security.'
 
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papareezoo    RE:Kashmir resolution.. straight from the horse's mouth   11/21/2005 1:07:29 AM
OK, Lets stop critisizi each other for nothing. I request you all for being neutral and suggest the Solution of Kashmir Problem.
 
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coolboyjay    RE:Kashmir resolution.. straight from the horse's mouth   11/21/2005 4:34:30 AM
LOC becoming the International boundary. Special travel documents to kashmiris on either side of the border so that they can travel freely within the whole of kashmir. The only solution I can think of!!
 
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papareezoo    RE:Kashmir resolution.. straight from the horse's mouth   11/21/2005 11:58:54 PM
<< LOC becoming the International boundary. Special travel documents to kashmiris on either side of the border so that they can travel freely within the whole of kashmir. The only solution I can think of!! >> Well, Pakistan will never agree to it, LOC as an international border and will special documents and free movement across kashmir is the solution and will it remove the miseries of kashmiri people and will it's that, for which kashmiri sacrificed their lives.???
 
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coolboyjay    RE:Kashmir resolution.. straight from the horse's mouth   11/22/2005 1:04:12 AM
>>Well, Pakistan will never agree to it, LOC as an international border and will special documents and free movement across kashmir is the solution and will it remove the miseries of kashmiri people and will it's that, for which kashmiri sacrificed their lives.??? << There u go again!!! What misery are u talking about? JnK is much more developed, has better opportunities, has more religious and social freedom.. what exacty is the misery that you are reffering to? Can you show me any NEUTRAL sources saying that the situation in POK is better than in JnK (of course except for the militancy). When I say the situation I mean hospitals, roads, schools, universities, industries, unemplyment ratios, HDI indices.. If u have a statement to make .. then please do that with supporting documents.
 
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counterstrike    RE:papreezoo   11/22/2005 2:34:48 AM
read this view of Kashmiris! see how they view your so called freedom fighters and how they are being targeted by army due to the millitants! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/south_asia/02/voices_from_kashmir/html/student.stm
 
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trustedsourceofinfo    RE:Kashmir resolution.. straight from the horse's mouth   11/22/2005 3:00:11 AM
A simple question: Who cares abt the KAshmiris-the Indians or the Pakistanis?
 
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papareezoo    RE:Kashmir resolution.. straight from the horse's mouth   11/22/2005 3:49:05 AM
Thanks CS, This is what i was looking for and you provided me with that. Just have a look on the wordings in the same article hilighted. There are many young people in Kashmir today who are frustrated and disillusioned. They need something to look forward to and someone to look up to.
 
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papareezoo    RE:Kashmir resolution.. straight from the horse's mouth   11/22/2005 3:49:59 AM
Kashmiris look to Pakistan for relieve for health, for education and to free them from indian occupation.
 
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counterstrike    RE:Kashmir resolution.. straight from the horse's mouth   11/22/2005 7:21:21 AM
paki bro, you really didn't get the theme did you just go thru this! >>Thanks CS, This is what i was looking for and you provided me with that. Just have a look on the wordings in the same article hilighted. There are many young people in Kashmir today who are frustrated and disillusioned. They need something to look forward to and someone to look up to.<< oh ya, and you couldn’t get any of those line put out here. Obviously you don’t want them on here, never mind I will do that for you! The words highlighted can be taken in any sense because this was shown to show the state of the people you got to read the entire stuff PP. All the stuff are taken from the link I gave you already just visit it if you want! >>,The people of this part of Kashmir have always stood by India. When Pakistani intruders tried to cross into Kargil in the summer of 1999, we alerted the Indian army. But look at our living conditions. We don't have proper roads, hospitals or schools. Kargil is the poorest corner of Kashmir - our markets are falling apart, our streets are filthy. But even more than the Delhi government, we blame our state administration and the ruling National Conference. They have done nothing to improve our lives. They get a huge amount of funds from the federal government. The money passes from Delhi to the state government, ministers, bureaucrats and local administrators. After they have all taken their cut, what's left for us? What this state lacks is leadership. We need somebody with vision and somebody who will look our for us. I don't blame Delhi for all that's wrong with us. But I blame them for banking on Kashmiri politicians who only enrich themselves and care for no-one else's welfare. We are being asked to vote and choose our representatives. Who do we pick? I haven't seen a single party or politician with a programme that talks about our problems or deals with issues close to our heart.<< So what do you infer from this the kashmiris support the Indian govt. and want the pakis out. See he doesn’t blame the centre but the state govt which are constituted by Kashmiris themselves. Now read this paki! We don't like Pakistan. We live in constant fear of being shelled by the Pakistani army. They destroy our homes and our lives. Today we were shelled for hours. Our new airport, which is yet to open, was targeted. And you say they want to be with Pakistan your b@$t@rd army is making life miserable for the poor kashmiris and you support them hell with you India has yet to get us an air link which will connect us to the rest of the country. Pakistan wants to ensure we stay unconnected. That's our reality. India is a democratic country and we have faith in its democracy and its commitment to a multi-faith society. All we ask for is for somebody to stand up for us and our aspirations. There are many young people in Kashmir today who are frustrated and disillusioned. They need something to look forward to and someone to look up to. We have dreams as well but at the moment we have no hope of turning them into a realitySo they have faith in INDIA, and they say Pakistan doesn’t want kashmiris do develop and you take pride in it….LOL
 
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