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Subject: Pakistan gives more rights to women, an undisputable leader in Asia
Indian cadet    11/1/2005 4:25:02 PM
These facts will shut those, criticizing women rights in Pakistan, without knowing the reality. Pakistan gives a representation of greater than 30% for women, whereas 67 countries, including India, had a representation of less than 10%. The global average for women parliamentarians is 15.8%, with the Americas having a representation of 18.8%, way behind the same figure for Nordic countries. Europe’s parliaments (excluding Nordic countries) have 16.9% women with sub-Saharan Africa matching the global average of 15.8% and Asia (15.2%) being next in line. Arab countries, in some of which women cannot stand for elections, have the lowest representation of 8.8%. Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait and Bahrain are among the 10 countries with no women parliamentarian. Pakistan is the undisputed leader amongst its South Asian counterparts. But India does much better than Nepal (5.9%) or Sri Lanka and Bangladesh, both having a sub-5% representation of women. While culture can be an explanation for some of these figures, it cannot explain why countries like the United States (15.2%), Britain (19.7%), France (12.2%) which rank high on gender equality index are comparatively low in terms of political representation. Again, Russia and Japan do quite badly, ranked 118th and 139th respectively, while China does reasonably well, sneaking into the top 50 with a 20.2% representation. Iraq is the numero uno Islamic country with its parliament comprising 31.5% women members. Syria (12%) and Indonesia (11.3%) are some other Islamic countries having a decent representation. Most European nations have a system whereby parties voluntarily decide to have a minimum proportion of women candidates contesting elections. For instance, all three major political parties in Sweden have a minimum 50% representation for women, while in some other countries, this number is 40% or at times 33%. In South Africa, the African National Congress (ANC) placed a third of its women on the national party list to contest elections.,curpg-2.cms
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eatmee    RE:Pakistan has not changed.   11/4/2005 12:49:25 AM
You are still in denial. It doesnt matter what percentage you have in the government, necsarily. Its moreover, about the general freedoms and rights women have in a society. And those laws or atitudes have not changed. Its the attitudes within the society towards women that need to change. And these attitudes need to be backed up by laws. Laws which reinforce the change in attitudes. Laws that Protect women while they for the first time, try to break free from the cycle of oppression.
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counterstrike    RE:Pakistan has not changed.   11/4/2005 7:21:07 AM
mate, IC, I don't want to get into this rather clumpsy debate, but what abt the law that says to prove of rape u need atleast eye-witnesses. It is completely illogical isn't it won't the four men would have stopped the rape if they were eye-witnesses to it? what abt forenseic & other stuffs? anyway I am not too good in pak's law, don't mind if I am wrong!
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Indian cadet    RE:counterstrike   11/5/2005 9:06:15 AM
------mate, IC, I don't want to get into this rather clumpsy debate, Lol, I take it as a compliment.. ----------- but what abt the law that says to prove of rape u need atleast eye-witnesses. It is completely illogical isn't it won't the four men would have stopped the rape if they were eye-witnesses to it? You should have mention the complete law; anyway no prob. The eye-witness is vital to any type of court case. You are right that if there are eye-witness, the rape could have stopped by them. This phrase looks good and suitable in the west.In our societies, winesses often scared to come forward. Indian culture is not that different than Pakis. Anyway, if you are referring to gang rape or such crimes; eyewitness can be vital, but its question of their willingness to stand for the case. The situation is better in cities but in the villages and tribes; in such incidents often the witness never stand up to stop the crime or even the victim is scared to pursue in the court, which is unfortunate… By law its not essential in the rape case to present any witness…. what abt forenseic & other stuffs? “Forensic evidence” sounds good, but in Pakistan unfortunately, the technique is still not vastly available. In cities they can determine the case within time by DNA testing and physical evidence. But in the tribes or villages its not possible yet, where mostly decision goes in favor of powerful… "anyway I am not too good in pak's law, don't mind if I am wrong!" Well, Pak`law for rape cases are not different than Indian law, but only difference is punishment which is harsh in Pakistan, dat is death or life imprisonment.. I like the law, but my problem in Pakistan is with the justice system which is due to corruptions, is mostly unjust in such cases. The representation in Pakistan given to woman of 30% minimum in every administration, have improve the situation lot better than before specially for women’ rights. In past five year, there`s a lot of improvement and restructuring of court system is done to solve the corruption. Such cases are now being resolved with special courts, and with the AFIPS labs , more efforts are being made to provide justice. With the recent cases like Mukhtar Mai, the efforts are being made for strictly implementation of laws in such areas. But, still lot have to be done in tribal areas and remote villages where people are under oppression of caste system…… lack in education and therefore many such cases go without any proper justice. Under current government, lots of reformation has been done to implement laws properly and hopefully it will get more better in future.
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enlighten    RE:Pakistan gives more rights to women, an undisputable leader in Asia   11/10/2005 8:27:03 PM
"A woman is like a private part. When she goes out the devil casts a glance at her" Al-Hadis, trans. Al-Haj Maulana Fazlul Karim, vol. 2, p. 692, from Mishkat al-Masabih, by Waliuddin Abu Abdullah Mahmud Tabrizi This women thinks she is 100% vagina. What is the subliminal message this woman is sending? The subliminal message is that every square inch of my body is private part, every square inch of it can make you horny. Therefore my entire body is an 'awrat, (lit. pudendum, genital) and I am a sex object from head to toe. People cover their private parts. This woman thinks her entire body is private part. Does this in anyway arouse respect? Only one who thinks with her genital may think so. These women think they are 96% vagina 4% people. These women have determined that all their bodies, except their faces, are extensions of their genitals, including their heads. Thinking with their genitals they can't distinguish the difference between their hair and their pubic hair. To them both are embarrassing and should be covered. Thinking with their genitals these ambulant vaginas are fighting for the right to be humiliated, beaten and treated as sex objects. Spread this message and reproduce it in your site. Let all Muslim women know the world sees them exactly the way they see themselves and Muhammad described them - as 'awrat, pudenda, private part and deficient in intelligence. They think of themselves as nothing but a big vagina. As a matter of fact the word "woman" in Urdu is 'awrat. In Iran she is called zaifeh (weak). She is regarded weak both mentally and physically. Muslim women strive to be treated as 'awrat, a walking talking vagina. Why should we think of them differently? Combat stupidity with humiliation.
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enlighten    RE:Pakistan gives more rights to women, an undisputable leader in Asia   11/11/2005 5:47:43 PM
The purpose of this information is to consider the place of women in the pure teaching of Islam and Islamic state cannot give equl rights to women on the basis of Islam. It must be recognised that not every Muslim, nor every Muslim nation follows all of these teachings. These teachings come from both the Qur'an and the Hadith. The Hadith is 'The Tradition of Mohammad', that is, the stories of Mohammad's deeds and sayings. This Hadith is of "paramount importance side by side with the Qur'an in the formation of the religious life of a human being and for the attainment of perfection. Indeed a Qur'an minus Hadith remains unintelligible in many cases in the work- a-day life of a man."[1] The commentator Jalal-ud-Din as-Suyouti said that the Hadith "is the commentary on the Qur'an and its explanation"[2] This is why almost all commentaries rely in the first place on the Hadith to explain the Qur'an. The authentic Hadith is believed to be "nothing short of revelation, [for the Qur'an says of Mohammad] "he does not speak out of low desires. It is not but inspiration which is inspired (Q. 53:3-4)." The only difference between the Qur'an and the Hadith is that whereas the former was revealed directly through Gabriel with the very letters that are embodied from Allah, the latter was revealed without letters and words."[3] "Thus, next to the Holy Qur'an, the Hadith is the second source of the Islamic Law of social and personal behaviour, because the commandments of the Holy Prophet are as binding on the believers as the commandments of Allah. 'Whenever Allah and the Apostle have decided a matter, it is not for a faithful man or woman to follow a course of their own choice (Q. 33:36).'"[4] The Hadith is to be followed exactly "for that which differs from the Hadith to the extent of a hair shall be given up."[5] "A Muslim therefore stands in absolute need of a copy of the Qur'an and a copy of the Hadith for the guidance of his life"[6] MEN'S SUPERIORITY The Qur'an expresses the equality of the works of the sexes and the oneness of origin of the sexes in the following verses. "And their Lord answereth them, 'I will not suffer the work of him among you that worketh, whether of male or female, to be lost. The one of you is the issue of the other." (Q. 3:195) Rodwell. "Mankind fear your Lord, who created you of a single soul, and from it created its mate." (Q. 4:1) Arberry So while the Qur'an holds the works of men and women in equal regard and acknowledges that they are completely interdependent as to their very existence, they are not regarded as having equal worth as people. The men are a step above the women and superior to them as is clear from the following two verses. "And it is for the women to act as they (the husbands) act by them, in all fairness; but the men are a step above them."[7] (Q. 2:228) Rodwell "Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other."(Q. 4:34) Dawood. The famous commentator Ibn Kathir commented on (Q. 4:34) saying: "Men are superior to women, and a man is better than a woman."[8] Other commentators such as Razi, Baidawi, Zamakhshari, and Tabari are of the same opinion. Razi, commenting on Q. 4:11, said: "(The males share is that of two females). Man is more perfect than the woman in creation, and intelligence, and in the religious sphere, such as the suitability to be a judge, and a leader in worship. Also, the testimony of the man is twice that of the woman. So that whoever is given great responsibilities must be given correspondingly great privileges. As the woman is deficient in intelligence and of great lust, if she is given much money, much corruption will be the result. "[9] He also added: "The male is mentioned first in Q. 4:11 because the male is better than the female."[10] This superiority according to Razi is due to mens natural superiority in "knowlege and power, and because the man gives his wife the dowry and spends on her."[11] A modern writer said about the previous verse: "God established the superiority of men over women by the above verse (the Qur'an 4:34) which prevents the equating of men and women. For here man is above the woman due to his intellectual superiority and his ability to administer and spend on the woman."[12] WOMEN'S DEFICIENCIES 1. WOMEN ARE DEFICIENT IN INTELLIGENCE AND RELIGION The intellectual and religious deficiencies of women are stated in the following Hadith found in Sahih al-Bukhari which is considered by Muslim scholars to be "The most authentic book after the Book of Allah (ie. the Qur'an)":[13] "Allah's Apostle once said to a group of women : 'I have not seen any one more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious, sensible man could be led astray by some of you.' The women asked: 'O Allah's Apostle, what is deficient in our intelligence and religion?' He said: 'Is not the evidence of two w
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