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Subject: Guys, I HAVE A DOUBT!!!
counterstrike    10/7/2005 10:10:24 AM
Guys the doubt is, whether be-heading, the way by Iraqi terrorists & some other so called Islamic terrorists around the are executing their enemies Is Islamic? Or These Lunatic Terrorists are making it up? I am not sure which one is right, so can u guys help me out, bcos u guys should have a first hand knowledge abt Islam, being Muslims.
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trustedsourceofinfo    RE:Guys, I HAVE A DOUBT!!!   10/9/2005 12:53:39 AM
The problem is that the Pakistanis cannot really dispute it since its mentioned in the Koran explicitly! But this site... is one heck of a site ...It's amazingly popular! Let me give you an idea abt the popularity of this site! =" target="_blank">> vs. say for instance =" target="_blank">
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counterstrike    RE:Guys, I HAVE A DOUBT!!!   10/9/2005 1:05:59 AM
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doggtag    RE:Guys, I HAVE A DOUBT!!!   10/9/2005 1:46:30 AM
Napolean had it right, "God fights on the side with the best artillery." Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but... the christian Bible is just as littered in the Old Testament with stories of how God helped the Jewish people smote their enemies. My argument being, is the God of the Jews and Allah in a war with each other, and They are having a time of it using mankind as the rope in Their tug of war? Or has it more been a case of which side had the superior numbers, superior tactics and weapons, superior skills and training, and/or superior preparation? Certainly there could just as easily have been something more involved (blind luck or truly some "external influence".) But in all the battles in both the jewish history and muslim history, had just one variable been different, things would have ended in defeat rather than victory. But then again, if their religious scriptures contained only stories of defeat and loss of hope, who then would believe and follow? Fairy tales, folks. Nothing more. No one would buy into religion if its history was nothing but defeat and being the vanquished and conquered. But "sell" people the promise of victory over tribulation, of prosperity and peace after a time of struggle and hatred, and they are more likely to follow. History has shown just how gullible mankind as a whole can be. If you convince any given group of people that another group is the cause of their suffering, and you "remove" those groups by whatever means necessary (often at the delight of the locals) then naturally people will follow you. What I wonder, where is the mention of the vast hordes of Egyptian and Roman armies, which in those days could number easily into the hundreds of thousands, and could literally erase the cities of islam from the face of history? Seems to me that, just like the history "represented" in the christian Bible, most of what geology and other recorded history explains has been left out of both the Bible and the Quran. So that suggests to me we ain't being told the whole story because, most likely, someone didn't want us to know about all the defeats as well as the victories. Considering just how easily the US-led coalitions have walked right on through muslim lands with minimal casualties as compared to back in the days of Mohammed when vandals and thieves entered their lands, one could almost draw the conclusion then that Allah has not been looking out for His people's best interests, inciting them only to cowardly acts of terror to try and frighten their enemies, but it has only strengthened their enemy's resolve. Of course, considering the state of affairs we witness coming out of christianity today (throw catholicism in there with it), neither would I say that the christian god has been most compassionate to "his children" and their plight. Here's where I have my doubts, guys (like some of you don't alrrady know!): maybe, in all these past millennia, we've been LIED TO by all those people who command and regulate those religions. They used it to dictate their leadership over us, and have for centuries deceived and manipulated us into giving them a content and easy lifestyle off the labors and sweat of our backs, and the only thing they give us in return is a world of false hopes, empty promises, and they keep demanding even more and greater sacrifices of us, all the while as they themselves contribute nothing truly divine to society. Without the use of modern science, when was the last time any of you saw someone claiming to be their god's servant go forth and heal (at random, not stage acts) a multitude of blind, lame, crippled, maimed, disfigured, and sickly people and free them of their afflictions? When was the last time anyone saw those earthly kings step down from their self-appointed thrones and forgo their concerns of earthly profit in the name of comforting the suffering? No, the true phophets, messiahs, and truly divine followers are few and far between. The rest of 'em are nothing more than bullsh*t artists who, for centuries, have mastered the art of deceiving the rest of us with false hopes and broken promises, but threatening us with divine retribution, ex-communication, and labels of heretic if we ever challenged their authority. I say, if people are going to buy into the deception and accept it without question, never demanding proof or accountability from their masters, then in their ignorance, they deserve whatever tribulation (natural, manmade, or Act of God) the world throws at them. Choosing to live in ignorance, even to the point that you refuse to accept you are, only adds to your problems. But if you continue to challenge the legitimacy of all those who come along and claim the right to be your master, then you just might reveal a lot more of the deceivers and bullsh*t artists for who they are. It's called policing your ranks, and both islam and christianity ssem to be having trouble keeping all the dangerous
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counterstrike    RE:Guys, I HAVE A DOUBT!!!   10/9/2005 7:50:41 AM
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finelid    nile rider   10/9/2005 8:49:29 PM
yo nile rider i have asimple wuestion for you... " Jesus (peace be on him) was the second-last prophet of God. He foretold the coming of the last Prophet Muhammad (peace be on him). While the mission of the earlier messengers was generally limited to their own communities, prophet Muhammad's message and mission is universal and timeless till the end of this world." when and where exactly does jesus foretell the comig of another prophet??? please give me a link from the bible or let me know how you came to this conclusion that jesus did foretell the coming of mohammad.....
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counterstrike    RE:Guys, I HAVE A DOUBT!!!   10/10/2005 12:12:03 AM
Hi Nilerider, let us put the site, issue a little aside. I agree with u that these are propaganda sites, and are against Islam. But that doesn’t really explain a lot. They have taken words from the holy quran, to prove what they want to say. The site comes with a tag that the info in it will be removed if proven wrong, so Why don’t the good Muslims take them to the task and prove them wrong. I think this is a military board and talking these kinds of stuffs is foolishness. But Islamic terrorism is looming large at the world and though the there are Fanatics in other religions it doesn’t seem to have come to the lips of many people,As much as Islam has. Talking abt discrepancies in Hinduism or any other religion, I am bold enough to accept that there are & they need to be sorted out. My question is, are there similar discrepancies in Quran, hadiths, & islam. If ur answer is no, then clear these doubts of mine. P.S: I am not against Islam or Muslims, inshalla, let peace be upon this world that’s What I want. Al-Qaeda was actually accepting “credit” for a terrorist act it did not conceive. The plan was concocted, staffed, and financed in the al-Kod mosque in Hamburg, Germany. Today, the mosque’s imam still preaches fundamental and uncorrupted Islam. He doesn’t need to twist it, interpret it, or take it out of context. The imam’s message is for all Muslims, and it is preached in every mosque. Listen as he reads verses from the 8th surah. These words come directly out of the Qur’an’s “Spoils of War,” >> surah: “Allah has sent you from your homes to fight for the Cause. Allah wished to confirm the truth by his words: wipe the Infidels out to the last. I shall fill the hearts of the Infidels with terror! So smite them on their necks and every joint, and incapacitate them, for they are opposed to Allah and His Apostle. Whoever opposes Us should know that Allah is severe in retribution. The Infidels will taste the torment of Hell. So when you meet them in battle do not retreat, for all who turn away from fighting will bring the wrath of Allah on themselves and their abode will be Hell. It was not you who killed them, but Allah who did so. You did not throw what you threw. Allah did to bring out the best in the faithful.” “So, fight them till all opposition ends and Islam is the only religion.” << Here the words are clearly hugging the violence against infidels. >> . I shall fill the hearts of the Infidels with terror! So smite them on their necks and every joint, and incapacitate them, for they are opposed to Allah and His Apostle<< this words are about beheading of infidels & Renegade, says there are nothing in Islam that tells to behead infidels, are not these words from quran Reading Allah’s orders out of the Qur’an’s 8th surah, imams preach: >>O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will kill a thousand Infidels, for they are a people devoid of understanding<< This is the math of terror. It is possible because infidels are ignorant of Islam. And you should know, the Qur’an defines “Infidels” in the 5th surah. >>They are surely Infidels who say Christ, the Messiah is God.” (5:72)<< and u say the bible fore told the arrival of Muhammad, how can it fore tell some one wants to destroy them, as they messenger of god. U want more proof here it comes ur’an 5:51 “O believers, do not hold Jews and Christians as your allies. They are allies of one another; and anyone who makes them his friends is one of them.” Qur’an 2:10 “As for those who deny Islam...they shall be the faggots for the Fire of Hell.” Islam’s god is a spirit of an entirely different color. Ishaq:327 “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”. Bukhari:V5B59N512 “The Prophet had their men killed, their children and woman taken captive.” Qur’an 33:26 “Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before.” Don’t these words spread terror against Christians & Jews, aren’t these words from the holy quran?
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doggtag    It is not for God to take a son unto Him?   10/10/2005 9:04:50 PM
Just who are we as mere mortals to dictate what God is worthy of doing, what is beneath Him, and what He sees fit and proper to do? Far as I'm concerned, the dead-giveaway of a falsified religion is one that bestows upon God the absolute power to create the Cosmos within a brief period, but then belittles Him with petty concerns and restrictions that are obviously fabrications of men. Who are we to decide that God is unworthy to shape mankind's destiny, through physical genetic manipulation or metaphysical quests of the spirit, as He sees fit? Who are we to say what He can and cannot do? Matthew 19:26 Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." Mark 10:27 Jesus looked at them and said, "For human beings it is impossible, but not for God. All things are possible for God." Luke 1:37 for nothing will be impossible for God." Luke 18:27 And he said, "The things which are impossible with men are possible with God." Point being, if God by whatever name you wish to bestow upon Him, truly has created all things within the Cosmos, who are we mortal humans (the inhabitants of only one small planet that is NOT at the center of the universe) to dictate to Him how to conduct Himself?
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counterstrike    RE:nile rider   10/10/2005 10:51:25 PM
I know that Jesus is mentioned many time in koran. But is Muhammad is mentioned in the bible? It is said, to make his story more buyable Prophet borrowed stories from the bible(well I am not sure abt this, i have to do more research abt it). mate u said abt faking of the verses of the quran. can u Give the original version of my quranic verses if they were false? As a muslim it is for u to protect ur religion & Muhammad and so if these sites are giving false info loge a complaint against them mate. So that outsiders like me don't have a bad idea about Islam comes with a link that tells that the article will be removed if proven wrong.
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counterstrike    RE:nile rider   10/11/2005 12:17:24 AM
Hi nilerider, I am disappointed,mate. I went to the site u told that is , hoping that the earlier Surahs that I had posted would be False. But this what I found when I read a Few surahs. And went to the following link. nilerider here comes the words which shows Allah is a diff. god from that of Christ’s: Surah 5. (The Table, The Table Spread) 72. They do blaspheme who say: "(Allah) is Christ the son of Mary." But said Christ: "O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help. And now the cruelty 33.The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter; Bible predicted Muhammad as messenger of god, could that be? read these lines: 51.O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust. How could bible predict Muhammad as a messenger of God, Whose god seems to be against Christians? Vengeance seems to be thrown in these lines: 45. We ordained therein for them: "Life for life, eye for eye, nose or nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal." But if any one remits the retaliation by way of charity, it is an act of atonement for himself. And if any fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (No better than) wrong-doers. Here come the lines of surah 8, about the “spoils of war” Surah 8 7. Behold! Allah promised you one of the two (enemy) parties, that it should be yours: Ye wished that the one unarmed should be yours, but Allah willed to justify the Truth according to His words and to cut off the roots of the Unbelievers;- 12. Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." 13. This because they contended against Allah and His Messenger. If any contend against Allah and His Messenger, Allah is strict in punishment. 14.Thus (will it be said): "Taste ye then of the (punishment): for those who resist Allah, is the penalty of the Fire." 16. If any do turn his back to them on such a day - unless it be in a stratagem of war, or to retreat to a troop (of his own)- he draws on himself the wrath of Allah, and his abode is Hell,- an evil refuge (indeed)! 17. It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah. when thou threwest (a handful of dust), it was not thy act, but Allah.s: in order that He might test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself: for Allah is He Who hearth and knoweth (all things). 19.(O Unbelievers!) if ye prayed for victory and judgment, now hath the judgment come to you: if ye desist (from wrong), it will be best for you: if ye return (to the attack), so shall We. Not the least good will your forces be to you even if they were multiplied: for verily Allah is with those who believe! 25.And fear tumult or oppression, which affecteth not in particular (only) those of you who do wrong: and know that Allah is strict in punishment. 36. The Unbelievers spend their wealth to hinder (man) from the path of Allah, and so will they continue to spend; but in the end they will have (only) regrets and sighs; at length they will be overcome: and the Unbelievers will be gathered together to Hell;- 38. Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them). 39. And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do. 41. And know that out of all the booty that ye may acquire (in war), a fifth share is assigned to Allah,- and to the Messenger, and to near relatives, orphans, the needy, and the wayfarer,- if ye do believe in Allah and in the revelation We sent down to Our servant on the Day of Testing,- the Day of the meeting of the two forces. For Allah hath power over all things. 49. Lo! the hypocrites say, and those in whose hearts is a disease: "These people,- their religion has misled them." But if any trust in Allah, behold! Allah is Exalted in might, Wise. 50. If thou couldst see, when the angels take the souls of the Un
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Mother of Pakistan    RE:Guys, I HAVE A DOUBT!!!   10/11/2005 2:56:54 PM
Why the heck ur talking that crap in this board.You are free to write this idontknowwhattosay in Indian board.We are already deppressed by that natural disaster. Anyways this is the holiest month of Ramadan so no hatred against our religion. This is my plea to u
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