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Subject: Banasir Bhutto badly injured in a suicide bomb attack.
Herald12345    12/27/2007 8:21:18 AM
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,70131-1298475,00.html Benazir Bhutto Critically Injured At Rally Updated:13:01, Thursday December 27, 2007 Opposition leader Benazir Bhutto has been critically injured after a suspected suicide attack at a political rally in Pakistan. It was believed to be a suicide attack It was believed to be a suicide attack She is undergoing emergency surgery at a nearby hospital, Sky News sources say. The explosion went off just after Ms Bhutto left the rally in Rawalpindi, minutes after her speech to thousands of people. More follows ... ____________________________________ I'm going out on a limb here and suggesting that the usual suspects may not be the blame boys. How about the ISI? Could those bastards have pulled a stunt like this and tried to make it look like an AQ job? Herald
 
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PowerPointRanger    How will it play out?   12/27/2007 6:54:03 PM
I think a big factor will be who gets the blame for it.  (Which is not the same thing as who actually did it.)
 
I think it is more likely that al Qaeda did it for several reasons:
 
1) Suicide attack--a familiar al Qaeda tactic.
2) She was more of a threat to al Qaeda than she was to Musharaf, who had largely consolidated power since his declaration of martial law.  For al Qaeda, she was the very embodiment of what they hated--a strong, moderate muslim woman leader.  Her election would have undercut their very identity.
3) The attack creates instablity, which helps al Qaeda & hurts Musharaf.
 
Who may get blamed for it?  ISI or Musharaf?  Possibly, but it more likely they will face indirect blame (for failing to protect her).  Whether that failure was deliberate or not remains to be seen.
 
Butto certainly made herself a easy target, which may mitigate some of that blame--but not all.
 
If al Qaeda does get blamed for this, it will seriously hurt them.
 
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tigertony    Softwar   12/27/2007 6:57:01 PM

    So tell me did Israel destroy those Hezzbullies? Funny that their Merkava took a worse beating then their Shermans!.
    
And that has what to do with today's events in Pakistan?  Hezbollah is an arm of Iranian policy and the Iranians are close to Pakistan.  The Israelis paid the price of not being prepared.  They cut their training 10 years ago because of left wing politics and it showed in southern Lebanon.   "Train hard - fight easy" - Zukov
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     So is Israel gaining ground or losing it? Well seems they give back land, but find no peace!
It has been that way for years - decades - since 1946.  So no change there.  It also does not seem like Israel will be doing battle with any major Arab foe soon - not Egypt, Syria, or even Iran.  Israel is not going away either.
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     So is the "House of Saud" getting weaker as our oil prices rise and rise? Nope,they just have more secret accounts in Switzerland!.



And this is not new either.  The price was depressed in the 1990s but Saudi Arabia was still very much a power player.  The price goes up - the price goes down.  Saudi will still be a player.  The higher price has more effect on bit part players who now have cash like Iran, Venezula, Sudan or Nigeria.
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     So is Russia,Iran,and China getting weaker as our dollar falls and falls? Nope,Putin builds GPS for his dog,and new missles for us,and Iran enriches for a Russian reactor,and China builds 200,000,000 man super bunkers under Beijing,and new subs, with better missles and stealth courtesy of Mr Lee!.



Russia is still a hollow shell of the former Soviet Union.  The SS-27 missiles are being deployed at a glacier like pace and they still rely on Soviet era SS-18 missiles some of which are 30+ years old. 

 
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Herald12345    Reply to various.   12/27/2007 6:59:33 PM
Software, don't waste time with an idiot. I don't.

SWB, Good article and it underlies why I regard Pakistan as America's ENEMY, not an ally.

GJ. Rocks banging into the Earth are with us always. In fact I don't doubt that some smart Humans in the past figured out the INTERVALS. 3400 years sounds about right for such a possible long period orbit.  Its part of the hazards of local space. When crazies chicken little over it, I just smile.

The Merkavas did fine by the way. Shermans weren't used in the assaults.

Herald

 
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earlm    Bhutto a Taliban Supporter   12/27/2007 7:33:54 PM
Good riddance. Musharraf is the best bet to prevent war. 
1.  Nutcases rule Pak
2.  They threaten or strike India
3. India retaliates, dismembers Pak
4.  China refuses to let its ally be destroyed
5.  US gets in
6.  WW3
 
This is poetentially far bigger than 9/11.
 
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Herald12345       12/27/2007 7:43:21 PM

Good riddance. Musharraf is the best bet to prevent war. 

1.  Nutcases rule Pak

2.  They threaten or strike India

3. India retaliates, dismembers Pak

4.  China refuses to let its ally be destroyed

5.  US gets in

6.  WW3

 

This is poetentially far bigger than 9/11.

The PRCs aren't ready to die yet.

Herald
 
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tigertony    Herald   12/27/2007 8:07:10 PM

Software, don't waste time with an idiot. I don't.

SWB, Good article and it underlies why I regard Pakistan as America's ENEMY, not an ally.

GJ. Rocks banging into the Earth are with us always. In fact I don't doubt that some smart Humans in the past figured out the INTERVALS. 3400 years sounds about right for such a possible long period orbit.  Its part of the hazards of local space. When crazies chicken little over it, I just smile.

The Merkavas did fine by the way. Shermans weren't used in the assaults.

Herald


 Hey Herald at the least you did not call me stupid,so i can live with that.
  
  Now Softwar said that Iran,Hezbollah,and Pakistan are close, so just when will the big 3 fall? What i guess we will just wait it out while all 3 now have nukes? Yep,that sure is a plan for success? That's called, too little, too late.
 
 
  Now as for prophets or crazys? Funny that the CIA has spent countless years and research on ESP,etc,etc, and still does today!.
 
 
  Now as for those Merkava doing fine? Well now if i remember, it was those Shermans that made Israel in the1st place,and they took and held ground, not gave it up to Arafat,or the House of Saud.
 
 
  Now as for Pakistan? Well where were you when i said it was a major mistake for the USA to allow Pakistan to withdraw from NATO? I bet you where one of those shopping at Wal-Mart, while our factories closed ,and Slick Willie was giving an intern another cigar? Funny that when i was in Karachi, there where Americans in port,not the Red Chinese building one with our money!. And both Bush's get the blame for CCP as well.
 
  
  Now as for the One China? Well Carter should have learned that when CCP say's "One China" they meant everyone!
 
 
                                                                     
                                                                               tigertony
 
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Darth Squirrel       12/27/2007 8:23:12 PM




Good riddance. Musharraf is the best bet to prevent war. 



1.  Nutcases rule Pak



2.  They threaten or strike India



3. India retaliates, dismembers Pak



4.  China refuses to let its ally be destroyed



5.  US gets in



6.  WW3



 



This is poetentially far bigger than 9/11.



The PRCs aren't ready to die yet.

Herald

Lol that is very true Herald.  Same as the Soviets - these are not Muslims with some unholy deathwish.  Their highest priority is self-preservation.
   Someone mentioned some crazy American contingency plan for securing Pakistan's nuclear arsenal in a crisis.  Here's the plan:  if it becomes obvious that they will be used against American interests, we pre-empt with our own strike.  However, chances are slim that we'd know that with enough certainty to launch a nuclear strike, and even slimmer that we'd know where exactly to target the payloads if we DID know rogue Pakistani nukes were about to be loosed.  Basically it's the same policy we have for every nuclear-armed adversary.
 
   But the idea of SEALs and Delta Force rushing in to secure the goods ala The Peacemaker is a bunch of garbage.  This is more US government "we got it under control" nonsense.   
 
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earlm    To Tiger Tony   12/27/2007 9:31:00 PM
I'm not trying to be a jerk but your posts are basically a form of pollution called data smog.  You may want to do either of two things.  One, get an education, two seek assistance of a mental nature.  You would be more at home on other sites like daily Kos.
 
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Jimme       12/28/2007 12:41:48 AM
How popular was Bhutto exactly? She must have had a strong following. It has been said that AQ has taken credit and if this does turn out to be true wouldn't the assassination of such a popular figure hinder rather then help AQs cause? Much in the same way their meddling in Iraq has backfired and turned the population against them?

What begs to be asked is how safe is the good old general now? There have been numerous attempts already who is to say they won't succeed next time? Also should he be assassinated what can we expect to emerge next? What might the US end up having to do?

 
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reefdiver       12/28/2007 10:02:16 AM
If - correctly or incorrectly - Musharraf is able to assign blame for the assassination to AQ and the Taliban might there be a larger outcry and even demands for action against militants in Pakistan?  I wonder if it might finally give him the free reign he's not truely had to operate even more harshly in the outer tribal areas that have been harboring AQ and the Taliban?  Perhaps he even let the US as quitely as possible handle some "tasks" in these area?
 
 
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