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Subject: A North Korea-Pakistan Connection?
Shah Rukh    10/9/2006 4:48:05 PM
A little over two weeks after North Korea shocked the world by admitting that it has a clandestine nuclear weapons acquisition programme, some more dismaying facts have come to light. The most stunning of these may be the world's first instance of the actual transfer, from one state to another, of advanced know-how to make nuclear weapons. The North Korean programme in question is based on uranium enrichment, and is substantially different from the plutonium route the country pursued from the 1970s on, until it signed the 1994 Agreed Framework with the United States. Under this agreement, Pyongyang agreed to close the plutonium reprocessing programme in return for the gift of two supposedly proliferation-proof 1,000 MW nuclear power reactors and for the supply of 500,000 tonnes of heavy fuel oil a year. This confession was not a tactical masterstroke calculated to embarrass an America preoccupied with Iraq. Rather, as Victor D. Cha, a Korea expert at Georgetown University in Washington, says: This was a case where Washington simply had the goods on them, and Pyongyang just didn t see any other way out. Dear Leader Kim-Jong Il's confession was essentially a highly pragmatic response, and a way of telling the US that he is not addicted to terrorist means or excessive secrecy. Washington was embarrassed and withheld the information it had extracted for 12 days. It finally leaked it only in the dead of night. North Korea has since tried to convert its weakness into strength. It now demands the US should sign a bilateral non-aggression treaty so that the security concerns of both sides could be addressed to promote peace on the Korean peninsula. To push this reasonable and realistic solution, North Korea has pugnaciously asserted its right to nuclear security in the face of the US's strategy for world supremacy, by saying the US has massively stockpiled nuclear weapons in its vicinity and threatened "a small country" [that is, itself]. Washington's immediate response has been to make diplomatic approaches to North Korea, not to threaten it with war and destruction. Secretary of State Colin Powell is scheduled to visit Seoul on Nov 10-12 where he will meet South Korean and Japanese officials to discuss the issue of North Korea's nuclear weapons programme. The US has also taken up the issue with China. Washington has again shown it adopts double standards: it is raring to wage a war on Iraq on the mere suspicion, speculation and surmise without reasonable or firm proof that it might have a programme to develop mass-destruction weapons, or might possess such weapons. But it has an altogether different approach to a state that admits it has run such a programme in breach of an agreement reached with the US! Double standards apart, North Korea's diplomatic manoeuvre must be the world's most astounding exercise in audacious diplomacy. What Pyongyang is attempting to do is get the US to engage it out of desperation, with its economy in dire straits, and its regime isolated. Its means are unusual, if not outlandish. It says it feels threatened at being included in the Axis of Evil; targeting it, a fellow-member of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (which it has self-admittedly violated), is incompatible with the treaty's spirit! This is breathtaking. However, the most interesting and disturbing reports pertain to the provenance of North Korea's uranium enrichment programme, which it is unlikely to have developed on its own given the dire state of its economy and industry in the 1990s. There is growing speculation, corroborated by US and other intelligence, that the source is Pakistan. For instance, Robert Einhorn, Bill Clinton's assistant secretary of state for non-proliferation, told The Washington Post that North Korea and Pakistan have been known to engage in sensitive trade, including Pakistans purchase of Nodong missiles from North Korea "[C]oncerns were raised whether there was a quid pro quo in the form of enrichment technology." The Nodong, it is generally believed, was acquired in the mid-1990s (1997?) and renamed Ghauri. The Ghauri has been repeatedly test-flown in Pakistan. The New York Times too quotes intelligence officials as saying: What you have here is a perfect meeting of interests the North had what the Pakistanis needed and the Pakistanis had a way for Kim-Jong Il to restart a nuclear programme we had stopped. A number of Indian intelligence sources too have confirmed the North Korea-Pakistan trade-off, partly based on the documents they found on board a North Korean ship which they intercepted in 1999 at an Indian port en route to Karachi from Pyongyang, carrying 170 tonnes of material suspected to be metal casings and missile components. More recently, Joseph Cirincione, director of the non-proliferation project at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace in Washington, told India's Outlook magazine that it would be perfectly rational to assume
 
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Jawan    OLD NEWS!!!   10/10/2006 2:26:12 AM
"""Such self-righteous claims to being Simon-pure in matters nuclear would have sounded somewhat convincing if India's own nuclear and missile programmes, unlike Pakistan's, had not been based on borrowed, bought or stolen technologies, in addition to indigenous ones.

As it happens, India has received technical assistance or nuclear material, whether openly or clandestinely, from sources as varied as the US, UK, USSR/Russia, Canada, China, Norway and France, to name some. Indeed, the source of the plutonium-239 used in the first Indian nuclear test, of 1974, was a reactor of Canadian design built with US assistance and material (heavy water).""

Fool, there is a BIG BIG difference, but its beyond ur pea-sized brain.

U Paki scum  need to DRAG India everywhere. What an inferiority complex, phew!!!! CHOR SALA SUB KO CHOR HI SAMAJHTA HAIN!!

Pakistan gave stolen nuc technology to NK and NK gave pakistan missles nodongs et all along with chinese M11. Give and take of terrorist pariah nations.

Pakistan is the source of everything this world is suffering, terrorism, nuclear weapons, everything!!

Complete ANNHILATION of PAKISTAN is the need of the Day to save this world!!! JINNAH MUST BE SQIRMING IN HIS GRAVE wondering what a hydra-headed monster he CREATED~!~ ALLAH must have taken his virgins back from HIM LOL :))



 
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TopGun    Trail leads to China   10/11/2006 6:29:39 PM
While all this is mere speculation.  THe country with which North Korea trades openly and infact many say, is being propted up by is China.  China is also suspected of helping Pakistan in the past as well, but this remains unconfirmed as the Pakistani nuclear program and the type of weapons they have developed differ considerably from Chinese designs. 
 
Also, to the moron who never seems able to write anything sane(Jawan),  India is no angel and can be considered the catalyst.   lets not forget why Pakistan was forced down the nuclear path, for it was India which initially and secretly started a nuclear program by using Western provided aid and manipulating that goodwill into a clandestine nuclear program.  India, then surprised everyone but detonating a nuclear device in 1974 a mere 30 kms from Pakistans border forcing them to follow suite.  So, if you want to look at the source of all these problems (as you stated) then you need to look at India for starting this spiral down the path of foley and destruction. Recently, It itself benefitted from the AQ Khan nuclear network operating out of Africa (South Africa/Kenya) and Dubai.  Infact, several Indian agents where caught by South African officials trying to smuggle out nuclear hardware illegaly.  Then again, in 1998 for no apparent reason at all but mere sabre rattling and showing recklessness, they detonated 5 more nuclear devices prompting their rival to follow suite.  Furthermore, The irony is, that it was Pakistan which proposed several times to de-nuclearize South Asia and sign the NPT but it was India which always refused and snow balled every effort to do so.  so keep the facts straight you dillusional moron.
 
The nuclearization of the Korean peninsula will have devastating consequenses for the region in general.  It will force South Korea and Japan to reassess their military doctrines and plan accordingly for a nuclear contingency.  Many countries including the US, Japan, Russia, Pakistan, EU, and surprisingly even their ally China has expressed public concern and urged for restraint on the part of North Korea.  Many also, believe, that due to the low threshold of the nuclear devices detonated, that the tests where actually partial failure but nonetheless being used by the North Korean regime as a bargaining tool to bilk the west out of more funds to help sustain the chronic problems being faced the their economy and nation as a whole
 
 
 
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Jawan    MORON!! Coming from PAKI EH!!   10/11/2006 11:17:45 PM
To
Foolish Topgun KHAN,
Terrorist Land of Pakistan.
Gifted Indian Territory.

Scumbag:

Refer to your post previous to THIS. Your Ostrich attitude enhanced by the education filled with pack of lies and untruth and much ably supported by your jihadi training points to the complete and utter lack of self respect. The use of word "MORON" beyond which ur vocabulary seems to lose its steam seems to indicate the present condition of your horribly screwed up intelligence, if any in the first place. The incapcity of understanding what the REST OF THE WORLD thinks about Terrorist state of Pakistan ( it aint even a nation according to most) is a well known trait of paki posters not only on this board but the other numerous boards too. So please rest in peace with the fact that ur posts are nothing but rantings of a subhuman inferior in intellect and knowledge and ZERO capacity of learning. UR PAKI masters who pay you u for ur lies and untruths that you post over here should consider "outsourcing" their rantings coz I doubt that any intelligent humans are born in Paki land.

Now to this particular paragraph of ur "POST"
""Also, to the moron who never seems able to write anything sane(Jawan),  India is no angel and can be considered the catalyst.   lets not forget why Pakistan was forced down the nuclear path, for it was India which initially and secretly started a nuclear program by using Western provided aid and manipulating that goodwill into a clandestine nuclear program.  India, then surprised everyone but detonating a nuclear device in 1974 a mere 30 kms from Pakistans border forcing them to follow suite.  So, if you want to look at the source of all these problems (as you stated) then you need to look at India for starting this spiral down the path of foley and destruction. Recently, It itself benefitted from the AQ Khan nuclear network operating out of Africa (South Africa/Kenya) and Dubai.  Infact, several Indian agents where caught by South African officials trying to smuggle out nuclear hardware illegaly.  Then again, in 1998 for no apparent reason at all but mere sabre rattling and showing recklessness, they detonated 5 more nuclear devices prompting their rival to follow suite.  Furthermore, The irony is, that it was Pakistan which proposed several times to de-nuclearize South Asia and sign the NPT but it was India which always refused and snow balled every effort to do so.  so keep the facts straight you dillusional moron.""

Firstly try to swear correctly, Delusional instead of dillusional. UR english teacher must be turning in his grave. YOU TALK ABOUT SOURCE, UR ASS**** PM BUTTO after getting whacked in 71 and losing half the land started the cause of ISLAMIC NUC BOMB so that you scumbags can still have a state to call your own. THere did not exist a NUC PROGRAM before the 71 LOSS. On the contrary, U DELUSIONAL MORON, Indian nuclear establishment started working long before in the early 50s towards nuclear energy and nuclear weapons. Pakistanis had to steal, bribe, smuggle their NUC PROGRAM. India developed it on its own with lots of research and development (R&D in short for U). FOR UR INformation, India has the second largest pool of scientists in the world. Indians tend to achieve academically and scientifically things they want rather than stealing and then claiming it as their own which Pakistan has become very good at.

INdia does not sabre rattle. Indians go for the jugular. Saber rattling is usually done by PAKISTAN, an inferior state which has nothing better to do but to try to equate itself to India in every possible field and then failing misreably every time. What has snowballed today is this: PAKISTAN is a recognized terrorist state involved in smuggling weapons of mass destruction and technology (albeit STOLEN) to rest of the pariah (muslim) nations. ALso exporting well trained terrorists and jihadis all around the world and the way things are going in the near future they might even send jihads armed with NUC bombs.

No, what is ironic is Pakistan which has a first use POLICY for nuc weapons
proposes to de-nuclearize South Asia. Indian Nuc weap are meant primarily for CHINESE aggresion. U FOOLS can be whacked conventionally very easily. But then a dwarf (Pakistan) trying to be a world player has to get its "ISLAMIC BOMB" to have some prestige because there is nothing else that terrorist state produces or has to give its citizens any self respect.

Rest of the crap u posted is just that CRAP coming from the very fertile imagination of ur MASTERS!! So bugg off

ANNIHLATION OF PAKISTAN IS THE SOLUTION TO WAR ON TERROR. EXistence of PAKISTAN as a state will never lead to any good in this WORLD.

TOPGUN, UR A FRIGGIN FART. UR CAPCITIES ARE PRETTY CLEAR OUT H
 
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Pakistan Power       10/13/2006 8:51:24 AM
An article full of baseless allegations and lies.  Its trying to make a connection out of nowhere!!  everyone knows that China is the main country to have helped North Korea...
 
hahahha  
 
JAwan the moron....  sounds kinda catchy lol!!! 
 
hey, just ignor him like eeveryone else does in this forum!!  but loved your comments noneetheless.. these indyen people are a very inferiority complexed type... they are envious &r always trying to prove themselves worthy to us pakistanis cuz they always here in our forums....thats why they keep cominng back heere with all their propogandaa 'n false sense of self.. there always trying to be something theyr not!
 
so now u know what Pakistan has to deal with over there on top of this war on terrorism.... weve been dealing with indian terrorism and verbal diarhheaa for a long time now...but dont worry, they get slapped down every time...lol!!!
 
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