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Subject: PAKISTAN NOW BETTER OPTION FOR IT OUTSOURCING THAN INDIA
chupooey    5/31/2006 8:50:46 AM
Why is Pakistan the hot new offshore information technology (IT) destination? This is because of a combination of favorable economic circumstances. Just when many Western managers are finally becoming comfortable with the idea of working closely with Indian IT firms, along comes Pakistan. Pakistan is shaking off decades of "also ran" status. Funds invested into building educational institutions in Pakistan (when there were not enough jobs to absorb all the graduates from those institutions) are paying off as Pakistan begins to field a modern, highly productive labor force that is the envy of more prosperous but less tech savvy nations elsewhere in the region. Why Care? Why should the average Western IT professional, businessperson or IT consumer care? Because we are all going to be buying and using more IT outputs from Pakistan. To be a smarter buyer and user of IT products calls for a familiarity with Pakistan, even for those who do not initially intend to do business with Pakistani firms. We are all part of a global economy and Pakistan is an increasingly important part of that global economy. The issues that Pakistan faces as it gears up for the global high-tech marketplace are many of the same issues that both advanced and developing economies face elsewhere in the world, as both service providers and service consumers. Pakistan is making no effort to gloss over its challenges, which makes those challenges easier to address. With a population of 160 million and a land area almost twice the size of California, Pakistan is a smaller and more unified country than most of its neighbors, which increases that nation's chances of solving its own problems and avoiding the mistakes that have plagued neighboring economies. India Helps Pakistan The biggest boost to Pakistan's efforts to break into the global IT marketplace came on September 28, when India's finance ministry announced an income tax of more than 36 percent on foreign firms with software, R&D and customer service operations in India. This tax proposal had been in the works since the beginning of the year and is expected to prompt U.S. firms to follow GE's lead in selling off assets in India. Any Western business manager who initiated or approved the establishment of an IT production or R&D subsidiary in India in 2004 could find that decision to be a career-ending move unless they have built in financial reserves to accommodate both the tax scheme of September 28 and upcoming taxes still on the drawing board. A proposal is under consideration in New Delhi to tax activities conducted over international private leased connections (IPLCs) that carry most of India's voice and data traffic to and from the outside world. There is also a proposal to replace state-to-state customs duties (octroi) with a national value added tax. Both those tax proposals could be combined into a single scheme. U.S. IT brokerage firms, their U.S. clients and domestic Indian IT operations will be largely untouched by the September 28 tax scheme. But the traditional offshore migration path of outsourcing to an offshore location first -- before setting up captive operations there -- has been disrupted in India until economic reforms reduce the role of the Indian government in the economy and consequently reduce that nation's revenue requirements. For Westerners with long-standing personal ties to India, that country's September 28 tax scheme could have both personal and financial consequences. For new Indian workers who hoped for a position with a Western firm based in India, that country's revenue policy will alter careers, lifestyles and futures. Westerners can pack up and look for other another country to set up operations. However, what country? Pakistan's Advantages Pakistan is the primary beneficiary of India's decision to tax foreign firms with captive IT operations in India. No other economy can match Pakistan's labor pool of educated English-speaking workers. No other economy can match Pakistan's scalability, reliability and low-cost environment. Pakistan offers five advantages over India: 1. Western experience: Executives at IT firms in Pakistan often have worked and gone to school in the U.S., which is Pakistan's largest export market. Indian IT firms whose managers have worked in the West are generally more expensive than similarly positioned Indian firms, without always providing noticeable differences in program implementation capabilities. The willingness of Pakistanis to return home from the West stands in marked contrast to most Indians who arrive for school or work in the West and never look back. 2. Professionalism and integrity: The personal integrity of Pakistani managers is easy to identify and appreciate, especially by Westerners with business experience elsewhere in the region. However, the relatively open and trusting nature of Pakistanis has made them easy prey for Indian business brokers who have managed
 
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Pakistan Power       2/19/2007 5:05:57 PM
interesting...  Pakistan does have much more to offer in terms of manufacturing(high quality, high end, precision vs. low quality)  its business operating costs are much more attractive than that of many countries in the region.  Also, as far as outsourcing which is a very low yield, poor indicator of economic activity as these are jobs given to an individual in a cubical in a third world country who's earning a fraction of what he should be being paid and the country in turn does not recieve any significant investment as one would normally expect from a foreing country investing in the country.  But nonetheless an interesting article, I think many of the higher end companies familiar with Pakistan were already aware of this for some time.  The English spoken in Pakistan is held to a much higher standard than that spoken in surrounding countries particularly India, and Bangladhesh due to the easier transition and greater phonetic similarity between English and the indigenous languages of Pakistan.  Also, Pakistani are also quite fluent in Arabic(Middle East Market), Persian (Iran) French(thanks to 40 years of French established language programs there are many french speaking Pakistani) and also Chinese(chinese market).  Pakistani's have always had a knack for acquiring new languages and speaking those new languages well which has earned them a mark of distinction in the world.  It was only a matter of time before the outsourcing companies realized this.  Many companies are already outsourcing to Pakistan, but the Government of Pakistan, rather rightly, is focused on more genuine foreign investments which will help the country in the long term.
 
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entre nous       3/6/2007 12:39:23 AM
"Good accents: Pakistan's official language is English. Only Kolkata (formerly Calcutta) and the Punjabi areas of India can come close to competing with accents in Pakistan, where many families speak English at home and where accent neutralization for non-native speakers of English is substantially easier than in India. Language skills and accents provide Pakistan with a major advantage over all other Asian outsourcing destinations."
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 of all the posts  and i mean all of them, this is the most ridiculous one. initially i laughed my a$$ off but i kinda feel sorry for pakis. how can they be so ignorant..immensely ignorant? has anyone here heard the pakistani cricket team captain speak english? and his accent...as against indian capt. dravid who is a south indian? and this dude says punjabisspeak english at home..lol!!!!! your posts prove your country is fast on the track of becoming asia's cesspool. goodluck.
 
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entre nous       3/6/2007 12:46:42 AM
i know why u guys can speak foreign languages with ease.....its coz ur compelled to..u have carved a niche for urself in the field of begging..from u.s.a to europe to even india..u beg and then beg some more. obviously learning diff languages to beg in comes handy..it elicits more pity from all of us. you guys can start learning sinhalese..who knows one day u might beg from the lankans!!
 
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entre nous       3/6/2007 12:46:48 AM
i know why u guys can speak foreign languages with ease.....its coz ur compelled to..u have carved a niche for urself in the field of begging..from u.s.a to europe to even india..u beg and then beg some more. obviously learning diff languages to beg in comes handy..it elicits more pity from all of us. you guys can start learning sinhalese..who knows one day u might beg from the lankans!!
 
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chupooey    laughing a$$e$   3/6/2007 5:18:32 PM
Interesting comparison between dravid and inzi, are you trying to say every one is south india and multan speaks like dravid and inzi respectively ???? or do you want to tell us that those south indians who cant even speak correct hindi are better off when it comes to speak in english??? cool down dude! if you have finally come out of the well at , dont start calling the big shots. your a$$ can afford to laugh as your army has got the much needed / requested weaponry from Pakistan to use against those tamils which are looking for your a$$e$ and believe you me they would not let them laugh at all.
 
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entre nous       3/6/2007 7:30:18 PM
        "cool down dude! if you have finally come out of the well at , dont start calling the big shots. your a$$ can afford to laugh as your army has got the much needed / requested weaponry from Pakistan to use against those tamils which are looking for your a$$e$ and believe you me they would not let them laugh at all. "
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  ok lets not compare inzi and dravid. instead lets compare your english to mine. read what you said above carefully, go back to your madarsa and ask your head mullah to help you re write it so it can make sense. with this level of standard in english the only thing that will be outsourced to pakistan is cesspool services. lol!! did you say our army got its weaponry from pakistan? why are you even posting on this board? you dont belong here among us. you are not worth it. pray 5 times, eat goat and sleep.
 
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chupooey       3/7/2007 1:15:17 PM
 
 

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is it still laughing or has started dancing as well...?
 
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entre nous       3/7/2007 6:58:42 PM
classic case of one beggar giving some of his share to another.the cruel joke here is that both countries are beggars.lol. btw you country of marital race is allowing  NATO forces to operate on your soil and you dont even know it. what a bunch of harebrained people you are..lol!!!
 
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Pakistan Power       3/10/2007 3:29:29 PM
funny that u mention beggars?  lol!  everyone knows that INdians are famous for begging.. so called projected world power that still begs and is dependent on foreign assistance. in Pakistan, the few beggars that you'll find are almost always Indian or decendents of Indians... how ironic is that?
 
as they say.. truth hurts.. so u feel the need to keep coming back to the pakistani forum and writing all ur trash talk here.  PLease leave this forum and go back to ur own indian forum and talk your crap there.  Pakistan and Pakistani issues are of no concern of yours.  They are of a higher interest and caliber... there is no need for you to put your filthy comments here as we dont want to come down to your filty level of thought.  You people are a complexed, twisted bunch.  Its very unfortunate that Pakistan got stuck beside a neighboor like India with all its inherent problems, evil closet case terrorist people and twisted ideology.  But its always reassuring to know that goodness and truth prevail... so no matter how many times you write ur crap, it will all come back to you 10 fold(heh isnt this Karma???  llol!!)
 
 
 
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entre nous       3/10/2007 4:18:30 PM
dude pakistan is so screwed, soon it'll be mentioned alongside the likes of somalia, sudan, and the like. as for outsourcing...thats a really ridiculous notion. who wants to outsource anything to a bunch of ignorant nincompoops dressed in pjs and wear diaperheads.lol.
 
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