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Subject: Message to Paki muslims
PunjabiSikhWarrior    1/12/2006 2:12:13 PM
I was wondering why paki's keep there hindu last names??? You cowards have fell to islam why don;t you change your names to khan,quershi,rafiq, etc. You guys have no shame so don't bring shame to our ancestors and change your names into arabic ones. You guys don;t belong to the hindu/sikh fold so why keep our last names? You have no idea how much it pisses my off when a muslim calls himself a choudary, bajwa, bhatti, etc. You guys are not punjabi's your paki muslims don't keep punjabi names.
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career909    RE:Message to Paki muslims    1/14/2006 3:57:45 AM
I am not a pakistani but i can answer this. According to islam you must get a muslim name and keep your last names as before. Thats why only the first name of the muslim is islamic not last. From algier to indonie people keep their last names and change their first names. Its like getting married. woman changes their last name so she can be one with the family. They represent as one. same as islam. Muslim can tell who is muslim and who is not.
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whacky_paki    FROM A PAKISTANI   1/17/2006 3:31:30 PM
first off there is no such thing as an "Islamic" name. Arabic names are just that ... Arabic names.. many times Muslims take the name of Islamic heros like the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), Omar, Ali, Abu Bakr, Uthman, and Khaled. or famous Muslim women, Aishah, Khadijah, Fatima, Zainab, Umm Kulthoom, Ruqayyah, Sumaiya, Maryam (Mary) .. They can also be one of the 99 names of Allah .. Rahman (beneficent), Kareem, Raheem, Jabbar, Azeem etc. or they can be names of previous Prophets Musa (moses), Isa (jesus), Harun (Aaron), Nuh (Noah), Ibrahim (Abraham), Ishaq, Ismail, etc. They don't have to be Arabic.. Salman al-Farsi (Persian) was one of the companions of the Prophet, my name is persian, Bilal another companion was an Abbyssinian.. I know many people in my mosque who have kept their original names June, Brandon, Angie, Janet etc... the only way a name becomes Unislamic is that it is a name that glorifies another god )(Krishna, Ram, Ba'al, AbdulMesih) and about Sikh/Hindu names.. I am sorry but the fact is that there are 80 million punjabi muslims in pakistan and the sikh religion has only 23 million followers.. you do the math.. Islam is the majority religion of punjab and you are in no position to say that you are the original punjabi.. last time i checked ethnicity and religon were two different things..
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PeregrinePike    RE:FROM A PAKISTANI   1/18/2006 1:15:49 PM
>> last time i checked ethnicity and religon were two different things << Not in case of Sikhs. You may want to take it up with the original poster on intricasies of intra-Punjabi politics - I am neither Sikh nor Punjabi - but I am pretty sure that Sikhs are irrevocably linked to Punjab and Punjab to Sikhs. Just as millions of non-Arab Muslims still believe Quran in Arabic carries the best meaning, most Sikhs I know believe Granth-sahib is best read in Gurmukji Punjabi. Personally I see no problem in Punjabi Muslims continuing to use their last names derived from recent titles like Choudhary, Raja, Malik etc. if they have a claim on it. But it gets kind of funny if like many Indian Muslims - who pick up the titles Khan, Sultan, Amir etc. - Punjabi Muslims to the same. On the other hand there may be legal issues involved in using clan-specific names like Bhatti and Bhajwa. Some Rajput and Jatt clans these Islamic converts come from, more likely than not, disown and forbid from using the clan names. While other Rajput clans recognize converts to Islam, terming them "Kamikhanis". So yes, it has some relevence today for the people who stayed true to their faith and obeyed their clan's traditions. Especially when there were great incentives to convert to Islam during tge many Muslim Empires in India, and they resisted them.
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PunjabiSikhWarrior    Paki's with a lost identity    1/19/2006 7:03:29 PM
Career909 I can tell who has a terrorist(islamic) name, most people can do that. There are a lot of ex-hindu's now muslims that have changed there last names to islamic ones, actually most paki's have done this. Im just saying the ones who have kept there hindu names should change it and lose there connection with us, as it brings insult to injury very much the same way that the mountain range in afghanistan is called hindu kush (hindu killer) a reminder of how hindu;s were killed and slaughtered and converted to islam. As for paki's we Indians don;t consider them as pathans, sindhi's or punjabi's. The first and foremost thing we call them is muslims. The paki punjabi's don't have the punjabi culture, tradition, religion, scriptures, etc. They are mimicing the islamic/arabic culture, they don;t have there own culture. This is true for most socities who fell under the muslim sword. The only thing we share with paki punjabi's is ethncity otherwise we are different in everyway; you speak urdu we speak punjabi, we celebrate Lohri you celebrate eid, we do bhangra/gidha and make punjabi songs and paki;s dont, etc,etc,etc. So techincally the punjabi's who survived the onslaught of islam claim the true merit of punjabi's not the fact there are 83 million punjabi muslims.
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Dog Tag 397572    RE:Paki's with a lost identity    4/5/2006 1:28:06 PM
Does it hurt you so badly and remind you from the last names that so many siks and hindus have converted into Islam.
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eggfooyoung    RE:Message to Paki muslims    4/5/2006 9:48:50 PM
its good they converted.the cowards got segregated from the brave who retained their hindu roots.jai bharat!!jai hindu rashtra!!
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Dog Tag 397572    RE:Message to Paki muslims    4/5/2006 11:58:42 PM
All the Hindu Nation is a coward Nation very soon they all will be converted into Islam. Allah O Akbar.
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Dog Tag 397572    RE:Message to Paki muslims    4/6/2006 12:00:44 AM
Oh I forget to say something else. You will not see any muslim converting into Hinduism. That is how muslims are. Brave and true Religion.
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eggfooyoung    RE:Message to Paki muslims    4/6/2006 1:10:42 AM
Oh I forget to say something else. You will not see any muslim converting into Hinduism. That is how muslims are. Brave and true Religion. >>>>>> ...we do not go around begging ppl to convert.and as for india becoming a muslim nation----get ready.after iran, its you in the dog house,dog tag!! muhammed took all of you for a ride.wake up redeem!!
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nip37       10/7/2008 2:07:54 AM
And i'm wondering that a "paki muslim" has to teach you, your "sikh" history, there were muslims in punjab(Punjabi Muslims) even before birth of guru nanik dev, which makes punjabi muslims more older than sikh punjabis, now the day when you will give up your hindu surname then you can come up and request us to do so, oh yeah just as a reminder do read your "Granth" really good because it has poetry and verses of "Mian Muhammad" a punjabi muslim whom Guru nanik admired so much.
And just to keep record straight, you belonged to a coward group of punjabis, cowards are those who for their benifits can neglect others right, you "sikhs" were never, are not, and will never be majority in punjab, just to attain this status you cowards got punjab divided not once but twice, so you can have majority in so called remaining "east punjab" for the first time in history.
Islam is the religon of majority of punjabis, hindoism comes second and you stands third, do us a favor and join what is majority, and next time read your text books before commenting something you know nothing about.

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