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Subject: Ponder this....
The Lizard King    2/26/2008 12:40:26 PM
F-22, at 150 mil (actual cost are lower, but for the sake of argument and to illustrate a point...) 150,000,000 US Dollar = 76,278,039 British Pound (Exchange Rate: as of 02/26/08.) Compare this to the cost of £70m for each Euro-fighter. I am being rather generous in the cost of the Euro-fighter as the "true" cost is staggering...
 
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flamingknives       2/26/2008 1:59:12 PM
Program cost vs. flyaway cost.
Apple vs. teacup

Calculate also:
%age EF programme costs returned to HM Treasury via taxes.
Cost benefits of operational soverignity.
Value of EF programme to UK economy, hence to HM treasury via taxes.

Not so say that the EF programme hasn't been mismanaged, or that getting disparate nations to agree on something is akin to herding cats.
 
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The Lizard King       2/28/2008 12:26:02 PM
"%age EF programme costs returned to HM Treasury via taxes."
 
-Think EF program costs returned to the British taxpayers via tax refunds.
 
"Cost benefits of operational soverignity."
 
-Sovereignty, are the EU partner nations imaginary?
 
"Value of EF programme to UK economy"
 
Cost vs Benefit Analysis...  Would the UK economy benefit if funds were allocated elsewhere with in the economy?
 
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The Lizard King    Ponder this too....   2/28/2008 12:28:23 PM
If the F-35 costs $55 million,
 

 

55,000,000 US Dollar = 27,671,285 British Pound (February 28, 2008 exchange rate)

 
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flamingknives       2/28/2008 2:26:27 PM
But it doesn't cost $55m. And you have failed to address any points.
 
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jimbo55       2/28/2008 3:04:45 PM
F35, $55 million. That is seriously out of date. The reality is no one actually knows how much the F35 will be, DoD estimates but it at over $100 million
 
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flamingknives       2/29/2008 11:43:39 AM
As I'm bored at the moment, I think I'll attempt to work out The Lizard King's drivel.

"-Think EF program costs returned to the British taxpayers via tax refunds."

Tax refunds? Very funny.  Then of course you are lacking in capability that would force you to buy abroad. So all that money vanishes entirely from the UK.

"-Sovereignty, are the EU partner nations imaginary?

The Partner nations exist, of course. But they do not withhold design data or source codes, so the UK Govt. has full information on their aircraft.

"Cost vs Benefit Analysis...  Would the UK economy benefit if funds were allocated elsewhere with in the economy?"

The same can be said of any military project. US: LCS, Comanche, LPD-17, France: Rafale, Australia: Sea Sprite, M113 upgrade etc.  The point was that it was money spent in the UK, so all the associated wages, service costs etc
remain mostly in the UK.
 
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The Lizard King       2/29/2008 12:04:32 PM
"As I'm bored at the moment, I think I'll attempt to work out The Lizard King's drivel"
 
Wow, the way you talk, you almost sound like you are important.
 
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The Lizard King       2/29/2008 12:05:40 PM
"The point was that it was money spent in the UK, so all the associated wages, service costs etc
remain mostly in the UK."
 
No it wasn't, again I ask, are the Partner Nations imaginery?
 
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The Lizard King       2/29/2008 12:06:14 PM
flames, ignore this statment:
 
Wow, the way you talk, you almost sound like you are important.
 
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The Lizard King       2/29/2008 12:06:48 PM
Not really gentlemen of me.
 
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