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sofa    7/15/2007 12:15:28 PM
BROWN: DON'T SAY TERRORISTS ARE MUSLIMS Tuesday July 3,2007 By Macer Hall, Political Editor Gordon Brown has banned ministers from using the word “Muslim” in connection with the terrorism crisis. The Prime Minister has also instructed his team – including new Home Secretary Jacqui Smith – that the phrase “war on terror” is to be dropped. The shake-up is part of a fresh attempt to improve community relations and avoid offending Muslims, adopting a more “consensual” tone than existed under Tony Blair. However, the change provoked claims last night that ministers are indulging in yet more political correctness. The sudden shift in tone emerged in comments by Mr Brown and Ms Smith in the wake of the failed attacks in London and Glasgow. Mr Brown’s spokesman acknowledged yesterday that ministers had been given specific guidelines to avoid inflammatory language. “There is clearly a need to strike a consensual tone in relation to all communities across the UK,” the spokesman said. “It is important that the country remains united.” He confirmed that the phrase “war on terror” – strongly associated with Mr Blair and US President George Bush – has been dropped. Officials insist that no direct links with Muslim extremists have been publicly confirmed by police investigating the latest attempted terror attacks. Mr Brown himself did not refer to Muslims or Islam once in a BBC TV interview on Sunday. Ms Smith also avoided any such reference in her statement to MPs yesterday. She said: “Let us be clear – terrorists are criminals, whose victims come from all walks of life, communities and religions. Terrorists attack the values shared by all law-abiding citizens. As a Government, as communities, as individuals, we need to ensure that the message of the terrorists is rejected.” Tory backbencher Philip Davies said: “I don’t know what purpose is served by this. I don’t think we need pussyfoot around when talking about terrorism.” But former Tory homeland security spokesman Patrick Mercer said: “This is quite a smart idea. We know that the vast majority of Muslims are not involved in terrorism and we have to accept there are sensitivities about these matters.”
 
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Armchair Private       7/15/2007 8:57:32 PM








Ok sofa, getting back the point, my view on this is open, these changes are only a few weeks old, really we'll have to see if it bears fruit, and what fruit it bears, and that may take a while, however time isn't exactly an ally, however as far as PR goes, it's probably better then a "crackdown" responce.






 



You've done nothing and you are attacked. Now you'll apologize to see if that works better?!?



Don't do anything rash like naming the threat!



 




 




I'm not the government, if I was, this country would be a police state, a crackdown would be nice, but probaly be relagated as a sunt responce by the media, my opinion would be to introduce an appartide system, akin to Isreal and Palestine, but in a democratic soceity it's hard to do that.

And this would make britain better because.....?

 
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Armchair Private       7/15/2007 9:01:48 PM








Armchair mate, none of what you listed is oppinion based, it's all methods and what's going on in our country, sofa wasn't hitting at our response to law and order, but to personal oppions, which are words.






My point is that what ever the rhetoric, the reality is different.

And exactly opposite.


Reality doesn't always change opinions.

MWAAA HAAA HAA AHAHAHHA AHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHHA AHAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAH HAAAAAAAAA !!!!!!!!!!

No you're quite right, I agree there are plenty of people who don't let reality get anywhere near their opinions...

 
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Armchair Private       7/15/2007 9:08:31 PM

Speaking of Mr Brown with his arse up in the air...

A phrase just came to mind: BOHICA

 

Bend

Over

Here

It

Comes

Again

 

BOHICA

 

 

It will keep coming 'till you do something about it.

Bending over doesn't help.

 

 


On behalf of the entire UK I thankyou for this profoundly insightful political insight.

Have you thought about putting this phrase to music?
 
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00_Chem_AJB       7/15/2007 9:08:54 PM
Ok, I didn't think when I made my last post, such a system whould be almost impossible to enfoce without daily checks on just about every ones home.
 
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Yimmy       7/15/2007 9:40:55 PM


Which is distinct from the Old testament you cite. That would be the OLD testament. As in NOT Christianity.

That line of reasoning is frequently used by muslims and agnostics who have no understanding of christianity: So are you a muslim then? Are you a westerner, or a recent immigrant to the west? To so misrepresent christianity makes one wonder.



Listen....

The Old Testament is part of the Bibles teachings, and as such is part of Christianity, while it very much includes violence.  Perhaps you would like to read the Hebrew Bible, you may find it has some similarities... or are Jews all terrorists too?  It does not matter what exactly the teachings in any religions holy book states, what matters is how they are interpreted and put to use.  Some Christians follow the Bible word for word, others do not.  Some Muslims become terrorists, while others do not.

My life is an open book.  I am English, born in London, am white with blond hair, while my ancestors come from Western Europe.  I am Church of England.


""In effect you are spreading race hatred, which is a criminal offence under UK law."
 
No one has been discussing race, except when I mentioned the race at Talledega. And the one time you mentioned it wasn't really race related."



It doesn't work that way I'm afraid.  "Race hatred" doesn't apply to races in the true sense of the word, but rather to known groups.  Hence how radical Muslims can be arrested for inciting hatred against Westerners.


"We are fighting against evil. Pure evil. And doing it to save our way of life and our children. You heartless punks get a free ride because good men are willing to die for what they believe in. You slackers are unworthy. "


In addition to being white and English, I study International Relations while I serve the armed forces in a reserve capacity.  So not to blow my own trumpet, but I educate myself to understand the problem and I position myself to fight when it is needed.  If that makes me a "heartless punk" getting a "free ride", what the Hell do you do?

It isn't mine to fathom how British society should work, and force those views down other peoples throats.  It is true that a "multi-cultural" society has its problems, however I am certain that portraying all Muslims as the enemy is not the answer.  I understand in part why people fall into the fringe radical groups such as the British National Party, however if they really think they would prove proficient in running the country, they must be on crack.  The vast majority of "political correctness" is pure bullshit, and the creation of mindless bureaucrats who don't want to offend anyone, this is true.  However some political sensitivities are a sensible option - there is no need do cause greater problems for ourselves by alienating honest, peaceful Muslims in the UK by referring to them all as terrorists - quite the opposite this sort of alienation will cause for more of them to fall into the hands of the terrorists, who are more than happy to recruit.
 
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00_Chem_AJB       7/15/2007 9:56:19 PM
Morning Yimmy, I think Sofa was calling me the heartless punk, well I kind of walked into that, as for the free ride, well after I get my degree I'm signing up to join the police force, and it that "isn't good enough" then what do I care. There is no ideal way when one is fighting what we are, in general most UK based muslims are more liberal with their views on Islam then those of  Saudi Abria, and excluding them will backfire, rebelious youth and what not, but there are those who wont listen, and preach and conduct  violence, and I can honestly say that's not limited to Islam, some of the charvs where I live just never seem to learn and see confrontation as the only way. I'm too tired, I'm cycling tomorrow, I should go to bed.
 
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sofa       7/20/2007 1:36:04 PM
"It doesn't work that way I'm afraid.  "Race hatred" doesn't apply to races in the true sense of the word, but rather to known groups.  Hence how radical Muslims can be arrested for inciting hatred against Westerners."
 
So "race" means "group"? And "up" means "down"?
 
And "muslim" doesn't belong with "terrorist"?
 
 
 
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sofa       7/20/2007 1:42:19 PM
Islam is the problem.
Misleading speech doesn't help solve the problem. It gives comfort to islam.
 
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sofa       7/20/2007 1:44:36 PM
"Liberal Muslims in the West" are humanists, improving their lives and families by no longer following the tennants of islam.
 
Where there is islam, there is corruption, violence, paranoia, and anger. 
 
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