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sofa    7/15/2007 12:15:28 PM
BROWN: DON'T SAY TERRORISTS ARE MUSLIMS Tuesday July 3,2007 By Macer Hall, Political Editor Gordon Brown has banned ministers from using the word “Muslim” in connection with the terrorism crisis. The Prime Minister has also instructed his team – including new Home Secretary Jacqui Smith – that the phrase “war on terror” is to be dropped. The shake-up is part of a fresh attempt to improve community relations and avoid offending Muslims, adopting a more “consensual” tone than existed under Tony Blair. However, the change provoked claims last night that ministers are indulging in yet more political correctness. The sudden shift in tone emerged in comments by Mr Brown and Ms Smith in the wake of the failed attacks in London and Glasgow. Mr Brown’s spokesman acknowledged yesterday that ministers had been given specific guidelines to avoid inflammatory language. “There is clearly a need to strike a consensual tone in relation to all communities across the UK,” the spokesman said. “It is important that the country remains united.” He confirmed that the phrase “war on terror” – strongly associated with Mr Blair and US President George Bush – has been dropped. Officials insist that no direct links with Muslim extremists have been publicly confirmed by police investigating the latest attempted terror attacks. Mr Brown himself did not refer to Muslims or Islam once in a BBC TV interview on Sunday. Ms Smith also avoided any such reference in her statement to MPs yesterday. She said: “Let us be clear – terrorists are criminals, whose victims come from all walks of life, communities and religions. Terrorists attack the values shared by all law-abiding citizens. As a Government, as communities, as individuals, we need to ensure that the message of the terrorists is rejected.” Tory backbencher Philip Davies said: “I don’t know what purpose is served by this. I don’t think we need pussyfoot around when talking about terrorism.” But former Tory homeland security spokesman Patrick Mercer said: “This is quite a smart idea. We know that the vast majority of Muslims are not involved in terrorism and we have to accept there are sensitivities about these matters.”
 
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00_Chem_AJB       7/15/2007 8:34:58 PM
Armchair mate, none of what you listed is oppinion based, it's all methods and what's going on in our country, sofa wasn't hitting at our response to law and order, but to personal oppions, which are words.
 
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Armchair Private       7/15/2007 8:35:13 PM


"...ask yourself if you really care about all those civilians and soliders who get killed in today's on going conflicts."

 

Yes. I do.

 

We are fighting against evil. Pure evil. And doing it to save our way of life and our children. You heartless punks get a free ride because good men are willing to die for what they believe in. You slackers are unworthy.

 


"heartless punks"

See above.

You lefty.

 
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sofa       7/15/2007 8:36:41 PM

Ok sofa, getting back the point, my view on this is open, these changes are only a few weeks old, really we'll have to see if it bears fruit, and what fruit it bears, and that may take a while, however time isn't exactly an ally, however as far as PR goes, it's probably better then a "crackdown" responce.

 
You've done nothing and you are attacked. Now you'll apologize to see if that works better?!?
Don't do anything rash like naming the threat!
 

 
 
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Armchair Private       7/15/2007 8:37:10 PM

Armchair mate, none of what you listed is oppinion based, it's all methods and what's going on in our country, sofa wasn't hitting at our response to law and order, but to personal oppions, which are words.


My point is that what ever the rhetoric, the reality is different.

And exactly opposite.
 
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Armchair Private       7/15/2007 8:39:17 PM

Armchair mate, none of what you listed is oppinion based, it's all methods and what's going on in our country, sofa wasn't hitting at our response to law and order, but to personal oppions, which are words.


My point is that what ever the rhetoric, the reality is different.

And exactly opposite.
 
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00_Chem_AJB       7/15/2007 8:43:15 PM
Armchair mate, none of what you listed is oppinion based, it's all methods and what's going on in our country, sofa wasn't hitting at our response to law and order, but to personal oppions, which are words.
 
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sofa       7/15/2007 8:46:13 PM
Speaking of Mr Brown with his arse up in the air...
A phrase just came to mind: BOHICA
 
Bend
Over
Here
It
Comes
Again
 
BOHICA
 
 
It will keep coming 'till you do something about it.
Bending over doesn't help.
 
 
 
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sofa       7/15/2007 8:48:50 PM
Speaking of Mr Brown with his arse up in the air...
A phrase just came to mind: BOHICA
 
Bend
Over
Here
It
Comes
Again
 
BOHICA
 
 
It will keep coming 'till you do something about it.
Bending over doesn't help.
 
 
 
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00_Chem_AJB       7/15/2007 8:51:04 PM




Ok sofa, getting back the point, my view on this is open, these changes are only a few weeks old, really we'll have to see if it bears fruit, and what fruit it bears, and that may take a while, however time isn't exactly an ally, however as far as PR goes, it's probably better then a "crackdown" responce.



 

You've done nothing and you are attacked. Now you'll apologize to see if that works better?!?

Don't do anything rash like naming the threat!

 


 


I'm not the government, if I was, this country would be a police state, a crackdown would be nice, but probaly be relagated as a sunt responce by the media, my opinion would be to introduce an appartide system, akin to Isreal and Palestine, but in a democratic soceity it's hard to do that.
 
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00_Chem_AJB       7/15/2007 8:52:29 PM




Armchair mate, none of what you listed is oppinion based, it's all methods and what's going on in our country, sofa wasn't hitting at our response to law and order, but to personal oppions, which are words.




My point is that what ever the rhetoric, the reality is different.

And exactly opposite.

Reality doesn't always change opinions.
 
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