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Subject: The 80mph 'Mad Max' monster targeting the Taliban
AdamB    6/24/2007 2:27:39 PM
The 80mph 'Mad Max' monster targeting the Taliban By CHRISTOPHER LEAKE 23rd June 2007 Daily Mail It looks more like a vehicle from one of Mel Gibson's Mad Max movies. But this four-ton monster truck is the British Army's new weapon designed to take on insurgents on the front lines of Iraq and Afghanistan. British-made, the Supacat Weapons Mounted Installation Kit boasts awesome firepower which will be unleashed early next year. British soldiers are being targeted by roadside bombs and daily firefights. Infantry soldiers have complained existing Land Rovers provide insufficient protection from the bombers. Now, the Ministry of Defence is buying 130 of the light-armoured beasts – which can reach a maximum 80mph – and will take delivery of the first early next year. They will use a grenade machine gun which fires at up to 340 rounds per minute, usually in bursts of three to five rounds, at targets up to a mile away. The Supacats will also employ a 7.62mm-calibre General Purpose Machine Gun, which fires 750 rounds per minute with a range of nearly a mile. The vehicles, made at Honiton in Devon, will also have a mounted 0.5in-calibre heavy machine gun, which fires huge rounds more than a mile at a rate of 485 to 635 a minute. They are powered by a 5.9-litre turbo-diesel engine and will carry three or four crew. One senior Army officer described the new super-truck as a "serious bit of kit", adding it would be a "huge boost to our long-range patrolling capability". Senior defence sources say the Supacats will particularly come into their own against the Taliban in Afghanistan's Helmand Province, which has no roads. Defence Minister Lord Drayson said last night: "These vehicles are well armed, swift and agile and will boost our capability with some serious firepower. "The MoD and the Treasury have worked hard to get them to our troops in quick time, and they start going out to theatre early next year." dailymail.co.uk
 
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AdamB       6/24/2007 2:28:38 PM
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Awesome: The British-made Supacat is described by one British Army officer as 'a serious bit of kit'
 
 
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flamingknives       6/24/2007 2:51:25 PM
Another cut-n-paste. Do you have no views of your own?
 
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the British Lion       6/24/2007 3:03:08 PM
Damn... looks pretty mean!
Although it does look like the crew are kind of exposed... I fail to see how it'll protect them from roadside bombs. Ok, the vehicle might survive, but what about the shrapnel?
 
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flamingknives       6/24/2007 3:52:50 PM
I rather suspect that it is supposed to avoid roadside bombs by not using roads.

The shape in the picture shown is a death-trap as far as blast/fragmentation attack goes. Note that the picture is badly photoshopped, the weapons and crew being rudely hacked from a picture of a Land Rover WMIK.
 
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Yimmy       6/24/2007 3:57:45 PM
Looks like a fantastic vehicle to me.


 
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gf0012-aust       6/24/2007 5:59:54 PM

I rather suspect that it is supposed to avoid roadside bombs by not using roads.

The shape in the picture shown is a death-trap as far as blast/fragmentation attack goes. Note that the picture is badly photoshopped, the weapons and crew being rudely hacked from a picture of a Land Rover WMIK.

It will be interesting to see what the aust'n SASR version ends up looking like. (seeing that UK and Aust took different approaches to kitting out their landies, I would assume that we will do our usual thing and not leave a body panel untouched)
rumour has it that the 6wd supacat will be in play ala our 6wd landies and that it will minimise the need for the Mog motherships in some missions. (higher base load out capability)
 
I assume that UK will be looking at retaining their mogs as mothers?
 
 
 
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Yimmy       6/24/2007 6:13:42 PM
Gf, what are "mogs"?

And what is the history behind this vehicle too?  This is the first I have heard of it.  Has it actually been procured by Australia already?  And who makes it?

As I previously said though, it looks fantastic.  The engine is a beast, and unlike certain blogs I would rather be in an open vehicle where I have total freedom to shoot back, than sit inside a steel coffin.


 
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gf0012-aust       6/24/2007 8:11:47 PM

Gf, what are "mogs"?

And what is the history behind this vehicle too?  This is the first I have heard of it.  Has it actually been procured by Australia already?  And who makes it?

As I previously said though, it looks fantastic.  The engine is a beast, and unlike certain blogs I would rather be in an open vehicle where I have total freedom to shoot back, than sit inside a steel coffin.



"mogs" are unimogs.  they're what we typically use as mother vehicles for sasr teams. (they go along as provisioning extras - the perenties get used for the mission work.  Oz is replacing the 6x6 perenties with the supacat for SASR.  I am assuming that if we go for 6wd that we will use the HMT 600 as the base vehicle platform. (although SASR are initially buying 4wd only).  The Oz supacat is called the "Nary"  (named after an SASR trooper).  I think some of ours are also getting CROWS RCWS installed.
 
Supacat is part of the HMT group and IIRC this vehicle was originally an HMT 400 developed product.
 
Just some clarity - AFAIK you lot are only getting the 4wd versions.

 
 
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Yimmy       6/24/2007 8:50:45 PM
Why a remote weapons system mount?  Are you buying an enclosed version?

Otherwise it rather defeats the purpose of them being open top.  It is a lot faster to see an enemy, and fire at him directly, than to have to train a remote weapon towards him?  I have this image in my head of my sitting there exposed, looking at an enemy not 50m's away, and desperately twiddling with a playstation controller trying to get the MG to point at him. :)


 
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gf0012-aust       6/24/2007 9:26:53 PM

Why a remote weapons system mount?  Are you buying an enclosed version?

Otherwise it rather defeats the purpose of them being open top.  It is a lot faster to see an enemy, and fire at him directly, than to have to train a remote weapon towards him? 

 
it was a proposal.  it seems as though it was rejected anyway as the CROWS mount was stuck on top of the Bushmaster vehicle instead.  Bushmaster was deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan and modified with CROWS.
 
AFAIK CROWS was offered up by Supacat as part of the initial tender (to show the range of options).  I can't see too many in SASR wanting a RCWS anyway.
 
 
  I have this image in my head of my sitting there exposed, looking at an enemy not 50m's away, and desperately twiddling with a playstation controller trying to get the MG to point at him. :)


\the blokes who use RCWS Typhoon mounts seem to think that its easy to use.  literally look and see, point and shoot.
 
Aren't some of your Challengers getting RCWS mounts on top of their turrets as well?
 
 
 
 
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