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Subject: The 80mph 'Mad Max' monster targeting the Taliban
AdamB    6/24/2007 2:27:39 PM
The 80mph 'Mad Max' monster targeting the Taliban By CHRISTOPHER LEAKE 23rd June 2007 Daily Mail It looks more like a vehicle from one of Mel Gibson's Mad Max movies. But this four-ton monster truck is the British Army's new weapon designed to take on insurgents on the front lines of Iraq and Afghanistan. British-made, the Supacat Weapons Mounted Installation Kit boasts awesome firepower which will be unleashed early next year. British soldiers are being targeted by roadside bombs and daily firefights. Infantry soldiers have complained existing Land Rovers provide insufficient protection from the bombers. Now, the Ministry of Defence is buying 130 of the light-armoured beasts – which can reach a maximum 80mph – and will take delivery of the first early next year. They will use a grenade machine gun which fires at up to 340 rounds per minute, usually in bursts of three to five rounds, at targets up to a mile away. The Supacats will also employ a 7.62mm-calibre General Purpose Machine Gun, which fires 750 rounds per minute with a range of nearly a mile. The vehicles, made at Honiton in Devon, will also have a mounted 0.5in-calibre heavy machine gun, which fires huge rounds more than a mile at a rate of 485 to 635 a minute. They are powered by a 5.9-litre turbo-diesel engine and will carry three or four crew. One senior Army officer described the new super-truck as a "serious bit of kit", adding it would be a "huge boost to our long-range patrolling capability". Senior defence sources say the Supacats will particularly come into their own against the Taliban in Afghanistan's Helmand Province, which has no roads. Defence Minister Lord Drayson said last night: "These vehicles are well armed, swift and agile and will boost our capability with some serious firepower. "The MoD and the Treasury have worked hard to get them to our troops in quick time, and they start going out to theatre early next year." dailymail.co.uk
 
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neutralizer       6/28/2007 6:38:28 AM
Good to see the traditional large chip on the shoulder.
 
10-15 yrs ago Merc were obviously Ok, hence Aust selection.  It can reasonably be argued that since UK is now taking delivery of a full range of MANs (not just tiddling 4 tons) then MANs are currently doing a better job that Merc.
 
It's also interesting that UK is currently wedded to Pinzgauer, but whether this continues with the next major utility truck buy we wait to see.  Given that UK uses a 2 ton Pinzgauer to do what Aust uses a 4 ton Merc for (tow light guns) then perhaps some conclusions could be drawn.  But I'd agree its more likely different requirements (UK is serious about light forces being light, Aust isn't).  Supacats keep popping up as specialist vehs so they obviously have some attractions, perhaps innovative engineering (nobody accused Merc of that for a while!).
 
The special body LRs were a unique Aust thing (basically the platform opened out ), they were the standard RAEME workshop vehicle (and IIRC in LADs, but am open to correction) with various equipement fits in the 1960-70s (in those days Aust took light forces a bit more seriously, but perhaps not there were those Steyr mini trucks).  Of course in those days militarised LRs (12 or 24 volt) were all petrol.  The dodgy dieso were a 70s 'innovation' - their first 'cover' plan was to accuse the Brit Army of overfilling them with oil when the engines kept blowing seals - after proper examination it turned out that there was a 'dimensional error' in the engines.  (At JCB just up the road the boss would have had a few engineers hung for such a thing, which is probably why JCB is going from strenght to strength and now it has reasonable US Army orders may start getting them from UK as well).  Hope I've managed to remove a bit of ignorance, all Australians need to know their history and decrease the BS a bit, those of us that know merely cringe at it.
 
 
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gf0012-aust       6/28/2007 7:34:55 AM

Good to see the traditional large chip on the shoulder.

 

10-15 yrs ago Merc were obviously Ok, hence Aust selection.  It can reasonably be argued that since UK is now taking delivery of a full range of MANs (not just tiddling 4 tons) then MANs are currently doing a better job that Merc.

 

It's also interesting that UK is currently wedded to Pinzgauer, but whether this continues with the next major utility truck buy we wait to see.  Given that UK uses a 2 ton Pinzgauer to do what Aust uses a 4 ton Merc for (tow light guns) then perhaps some conclusions could be drawn.  But I'd agree its more likely different requirements (UK is serious about light forces being light, Aust isn't).  Supacats keep popping up as specialist vehs so they obviously have some attractions, perhaps innovative engineering (nobody accused Merc of that for a while!).

 

The special body LRs were a unique Aust thing (basically the platform opened out ), they were the standard RAEME workshop vehicle (and IIRC in LADs, but am open to correction) with various equipement fits in the 1960-70s (in those days Aust took light forces a bit more seriously, but perhaps not there were those Steyr mini trucks).  Of course in those days militarised LRs (12 or 24 volt) were all petrol.  The dodgy dieso were a 70s 'innovation' - their first 'cover' plan was to accuse the Brit Army of overfilling them with oil when the engines kept blowing seals - after proper examination it turned out that there was a 'dimensional error' in the engines.  (At JCB just up the road the boss would have had a few engineers hung for such a thing, which is probably why JCB is going from strenght to strength and now it has reasonable US Army orders may start getting them from UK as well).  Hope I've managed to remove a bit of ignorance, all Australians need to know their history and decrease the BS a bit, those of us that know merely cringe at it.

 


actually i don't have a chip, but i do get fed up having to read some tosh that a pompous prat needs to show his regular form and slag off at my countrymen.  its only you and someof the silly teenagers (and Herc) that crap me off. tis a  pity really as you're a knowledgable bloke, damn shame that you have that nasty bigotted streak.

as for the wonderful story on oz landies, its a pity that you got the dates horribly wrong (and thus the models) as well as your post mortem analysis of why they were modded. (nice story on petrol engines though).
it  seems that your own verbal silk purse can't cover up your own BS sport. ;)  I guess JRA needed to send out better mechs as they were apparently clueless....
 
but. do carry on, its rivetting watching - and you are predictable.
 
 
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