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Subject: The British defeat in America -
Herc the Merc    5/29/2007 8:27:07 PM
Perhaps one of the few major wars lost by Britain and that too in its own territory with vast ties by blood. How is the American war potrayed in English history books-- a civil war, liberation war, anarchy???? Its perhaps odd that Britain lost America, one of its few territories that it had connections with in bloodline. Even Britain and India parted ways with a handshake and cup of tea. The Yanks broke the tea crates in Boston Harbor and had bloody good fight.
 
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bob the brit       9/26/2007 12:22:16 PM
have you heard of Alaska?... or Hawaii perhaps?
 
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Ehran       9/26/2007 1:05:19 PM

 1} Well Ehran i have actually given my real name,real ship i served on,real town i reside in,my yahoo id,as well as my e-mail,and my real jobs i do!. Seems i have nothing to hide from you, or anyone else. Now i would suggest you spend the hours in the SP archive and learn my real name!. Now i have never once called you a liar or unintelligent,and even if your English skills looked like Chinese "I would not insult you for that". Seems that's all anyone can really prove about me.

  2}Now just who do you or Bob go to church for? And who did you build it for? Well sounds to me like you built yours to England,not GOD!. And so i don't have everyone calling me a racist again "That means the Pope or anyone else who calls himself the head of GOD'S CHURCH!. And Ehran why dont you show me once that Christ ever called himself Royal or King of King's? Afterall you are the Expert!. Oh and i dont worship serpents "I reveal them".

 

 

3} Funny, i read what i wrote, and i will be damned if i can find one single line that i called you "ROYAL". Now i don't like to insult someones uptake but "LEARN TO READ". However Ehran, this does help prove my theory that you suffer from "Turnip Titis".

 

    Oh and Ehran, i think you should check out the date i posted that picture of my ship to Bob!. Actually the theme and point of that post was quite accurate for that day! What a "TURNIP". And i have, after reading thru this entire post, not found one single thing you proved wrong. Like when i said those Red Coats lit up us Americans alive,seems that they did afterall. Just like when people make stupid remarks like "The Boars could not sustain themselves and the British could not take care of them". Well truth is that those Boars could not sustain themselves because you Red Coats stole or burned everything they owned!. And you did not say that Ehran,but someone sure did!. Yet i get insulted and called a liar?

 

                                                                              tigertony

 

   

i do NOT care what your real name is nor what ship you served on etc because they are utterly irrelevant to what's being discussed.
i also have no idea what's with your fixation with root vegetables but i cannot do anything but assume that's some rather feeble attempt at insulting me.  honest to god tony been talking to people over the internet and it's predecessor for many years now and i've never been called a turnip before.  which is one reason i lean toward you not being a native english speaker.

i don't go to church tony and i certainly never had a hand in building one.  my experiences with the good churchgoing types have been pretty much universally negative matter of fact.  the church of england was just another example of how important the Queen is to so many people.  please do not reference jesus in this any more as he is again utterly irrelevant to the discussion.
 
Boers not Boars.  one group are people and the other are male swine.  i've followed some of the links to sites you've posted and found them pretty much to be trash.  just because someone puts up a website doesn't make what's on it true.  it's also unlikely that a person who puts up a website like that is going to link out to anyone who disagrees with his perverse take on whatever it was that he put up.
 
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Ehran       9/26/2007 1:17:24 PM

Tony, they are never going to pay attention to you, because your English skills aren't as high-class as theirs.  They are sophists - ISTM almost all Brits I've met love to play sophists, which means they argue over unimportant things to avoid getting nailed when it comes to the heart of the matter.  They think it's "sophisticated."

For instance, they don't have to care what you say about the Boer War, because you call them "Boars" and it's actually "Boers" which is Afrikaans for "farmers," and because they weren't redcoats anymore, they wore khaki in South Africa. 

nichevo please go back and read tony's "contributions" to this thread.  i think that may dissuade you from the notion he's being picked on. 
his facts are almost always wrong and typically embarassingly so and he can no more put together a coherent argument to support his views than he can fly by flapping his arms about.  please do follow some of the links to sites he's cited to support his views and judge their quality for yourself.
tony is literally the poster child for the idea that free speech can be a very mixed blessing indeed.

 
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Ehran       9/26/2007 1:27:49 PM


one could wonder why a guy in Washington holds power over territory well over a 1000 miles away from him not borfdering his original homeland...  :-)


Cause they stole it fair and square

 
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tigertony    Ehran   9/26/2007 2:42:50 PM



 1} Well Ehran i have actually given my real name,real ship i served on,real town i reside in,my yahoo id,as well as my e-mail,and my real jobs i do!. Seems i have nothing to hide from you, or anyone else. Now i would suggest you spend the hours in the SP archive and learn my real name!. Now i have never once called you a liar or unintelligent,and even if your English skills looked like Chinese "I would not insult you for that". Seems that's all anyone can really prove about me.


  2}Now just who do you or Bob go to church for? And who did you build it for? Well sounds to me like you built yours to England,not GOD!. And so i don't have everyone calling me a racist again "That means the Pope or anyone else who calls himself the head of GOD'S CHURCH!. And Ehran why dont you show me once that Christ ever called himself Royal or King of King's? Afterall you are the Expert!. Oh and i dont worship serpents "I reveal them".



 



 



3} Funny, i read what i wrote, and i will be damned if i can find one single line that i called you "ROYAL". Now i don't like to insult someones uptake but "LEARN TO READ". However Ehran, this does help prove my theory that you suffer from "Turnip Titis".



 



    Oh and Ehran, i think you should check out the date i posted that picture of my ship to Bob!. Actually the theme and point of that post was quite accurate for that day! What a "TURNIP". And i have, after reading thru this entire post, not found one single thing you proved wrong. Like when i said those Red Coats lit up us Americans alive,seems that they did afterall. Just like when people make stupid remarks like "The Boars could not sustain themselves and the British could not take care of them". Well truth is that those Boars could not sustain themselves because you Red Coats stole or burned everything they owned!. And you did not say that Ehran,but someone sure did!. Yet i get insulted and called a liar?



 



                                                                              tigertony



 



   



i do NOT care what your real name is nor what ship you served on etc because they are utterly irrelevant to what's being discussed.

i also have no idea what's with your fixation with root vegetables but i cannot do anything but assume that's some rather feeble attempt at insulting me.  honest to god tony been talking to people over the internet and it's predecessor for many years now and i've never been called a turnip before.  which is one reason i lean toward you not being a native english speaker.

i don't go to church tony and i certainly never had a hand in building one.  my experiences with the good churchgoing types have been pretty much universally negative matter of fact.  the church of england was just another example of how important the Queen is to so many people.  please do not reference jesus in this any more as he is again utterly irrelevant to the discussion.

 

Boers not Boars.  one group are people and the other are male swine.  i've followed some of the links to sites you've posted and found them pretty much to be trash.  just because someone puts up a website doesn't make what's on it true.  it's also unlikely that a person who puts up a website like that is going to link out to anyone who disagrees with his perverse take on whatever it was that he put up.


 Well now it seems that you made it an issue by insulting me and my post to Bob. So Ehran, have you ever run into a burning house,not out of one?. Well unless you have, you have no right to say i did not!. Again, this only proves that real truth is irrelevent to a conversation with you!.
 
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bob the brit       9/26/2007 3:13:56 PM
 

tigertony    Ehran   9/26/2007 2:42:50 PM

And as for calling you a "Turnip"? Well again ,i did not say you where a turnip,i said you have the wisdom of one!.

 
 

tigertony    Ehran   9/21/2007 8:03:24 PM

Well seems i have learned the proper tactics for dealing with a Turnip.

 

tigertony    Ehran   9/25/2007 7:31:13 PM

What a "TURNIP".
 
whoops, seems you can't remember what you said anymore
 
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tigertony    Bob   9/26/2007 4:02:10 PM

 

tigertony    Ehran   9/26/2007 2:42:50 PM


And as for calling you a "Turnip"? Well again ,i did not say you where a turnip,i said you have the wisdom of one!.



 

 

tigertony    Ehran   9/21/2007 8:03:24 PM


Well seems i have learned the proper tactics for dealing with a Turnip.



 

tigertony    Ehran   9/25/2007 7:31:13 PM


What a "TURNIP".
 

whoops, seems you can't remember what you said anymore



   Well now Bob, if you are going to raise a turnip,make sure that everyone knows when i planted it!.
  
   Seems it was 1st planted when i said this on 9/21:
 
   "Ehran you indeed have the Wisdom of a Turnip,actually one that went to market a bit too soon"
 
   So Bob, i am not calling Ehran himself a "TURNIP", just his lack of Wisdom!
 
                                                                      tigertony
 
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rb_martin       9/26/2007 9:49:47 PM

"3)      “Whiteshirts” – The most confusing term. I believe this is probably a misunderstanding of the word “white-collared worker” which could imply that he is worried about an educated/intellectual working class socialist or communist revolt or it may be he meant to use blue-collared worker and leave out the professional part. This seems most likely since during his post’s he is professing blind patriotism in his own nation’s abilities which would imply he was an American nationalist so he would logically despise socialists and communists as a matter of faith. "

Actually that reference would be associated with a mental health associate in one of the state mental hospitals. "Whiteshirts", ie. the person who outfits you in a straight jacket. Tony made a poor reference is all.

Quite incredible that someone could make some many mistakes/misunderstandings/grammatical errors in such a small space.

It happens to all of us. None of us are perfect (sorry, couldn't resist).


He is most likely someone of young age, unlikely any more than 14 years old and that is doing a disservice to most 14 year olds. If he is older, then it is of small comfort he is unlikely to hold any position of power that will greatly affect anyone’s lives however it is rather disturbing the there is possibility he “might” have the right to vote and as an American this means he would have ever so slight partial influence over British policy at present.

Unfortunately, America possesses a population that is largely uneducated. Tony just falls into that 80% figure. Your attempts to argue with him only encourage him to brandish his ignorance. He is unable to back up his arguments because his arguments are cut and paste jobs; not original thoughts. If you want a reply in that regard you can retrieve it independently on the web from any number of racist web sites that he copied them from (great minds think alike, but so do phecking idiots).

If you are of voting age Tiger Tony I implore you to abstain for our sake as well as you own.

Sadly, the popular vote does not mean a whole lot. Gore received the majority of the popular vote and Bush was still re-elected. Not that it would have made any difference...both of them are idiots as well. So Tony is in good company....




 
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rb_martin       9/26/2007 10:04:47 PM

It would not be an inaccurate view to portray the American revolution not just as an American victory but a European victory.  German, Polish, French, Spanish, Dutch, Nordic, etc. rulers all had an interest in seeing Britain take a fall in the Americas and contributed weapons, training, cash, medical supplies, etc to make it happen.

Germany committed Hessian mercenaries who fought for Britain. Poland, Spain, and the Dutch committed nothing. The only power of the era who provided support and combat arms for America was France. Europe had it's own problems and America was not one of them. You view of history is inaccurate.
 
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Nichevo       9/26/2007 11:06:49 PM
80%, forsooth. 

Nay, 80%, vo'pyumat!  Or if you prefer, suce ma queue, pede.  Or just dew neh loh moh!  When you talk trash like this one loses all respect for you.  Eighty percent, my eye.  Look to your own, boyo.

Tony the Tiger may or may not have graduated from high school, but I see no other measure of merit in this conversation that elevates you over him in any way.

May I ask a question?  Are you Irish, Martin?  I only ever seem to remember seeing Irishmen use "fecking" or "phecking" as a euphemism.  But my knowledge of English dialect is woefully incomplete.


 
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