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Subject: RN's new aircraft may be delayed: as defence companies don't want to work with the French
AdamB    5/29/2007 1:42:24 PM
Carriers 'face delay' if French brought in By Russell Hotten, Industry Editor Last Updated: 1:02am BST 29/05/2007 Carriers 'face delay' if French brought in Lord Drayson: work-sharing construction 'makes sense' The delivery of the Royal Navy's new £3.9bn aircraft carriers could be delayed after defence companies warned they did not want to work with the French. The pair - British firms BAE Systems and VT - are understood to be dismayed by news that the Ministry of Defence believes UK and French shipyards might manufacture substantial numbers of common components for carriers for both the Royal and the French navies in order to bring down the cost of the ships. But the deal is dependent on the MoD and the defence firms agreeing the terms on which to order two aircraft carriers. The Aircraft Carrier Alliance, which includes BAE, VT, Bab and Thales UK, had originally expected to sign a contract imminently. The joint project also threatens to jeopardise a restructuring of the British shipbuilding industry which is being spearheaded by BAE. advertisement "You can kiss goodbye to the carriers being delivered on time if the French are involved," said one source. "And I can see BAE and VT ripping up their joint venture deal, or at the very least renegotiating the terms." The revelation of the Anglo-French rift is likely to harm industrial relations between the two countries and could potentially be a point of discussion between British Prime Minister Tony Blair and recently elected French President Nicolas Sarkozy at next week's G8 summit in the -Baltic town of Heiligendamm, -Germany. The problem has arisen because, in spite of industry being aware that the French were building a carrier, it was thought that they were doing so alone, other than buying the UK's design blueprint for £100m and limited joint purchasing of parts. But 10 days ago Lord Drayson told The Daily Telegraph that work-sharing on construction "made sense" if it reduced the £3.9bn cost of the UK's two carriers. "This is the intelligent way to do this." He said no final decisions had been made, but that it was possible that UK and French shipyards could, for example, build large sections used for the hulls of both countries' vessels. The news came as a bombshell for industry, which had expected to sign off on the carrier contract before Easter. News of Lord Drayson's French talks would explain why the deal has been delayed. One critic of co-operation said: "There are issues around the capacity of shipyards to co-operate, and about putting more companies into the mix to complicate decision-making. I just cannot understand it." The MoD said last week that Lord Drayson would only sanction any joint production with the French if it made sense for UK shipbuilding and did not delay delivery of the Navy's carriers, due in 2012 and 2015. . . .
 
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french stratege       5/29/2007 7:54:35 PM
Well, while BAE is building TWO carriers simpler than the single french version which have catapults and arresting gear, they propose a production price 20% bigger per unit!
Now, Lord Drayson's put pressure on BAE to lower the price and of course BAE try to save its huge profits with this claim that carrier would be delayed.
 
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paul1970       5/30/2007 2:55:56 AM
I have no problem with sharing with the French.
there may be a little delay but then I see the cost reduction as a better payoff than getting a carrier a little bit earlier... especially since we have no concrete timetable of what we intend to put on the carrier in the first place.
 
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Jimme       5/30/2007 4:06:45 AM
Doesn't £3.9bn for  2 carriers make them almost as expensive as a Nimitz class ($4.5B)? If so wouldn't it be cheaper to  develop a scaled down UK version with help from the US?
 
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the British Lion    I don't get it...   5/30/2007 4:37:23 AM
What exactly are our shipbuilding company's bitching about? It's been known for a very long time that we'd be working with the French to build these carriers... have I missed something?
 
B.L.
 
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Armchair Private       5/30/2007 1:23:36 PM

What exactly are our shipbuilding company's bitching about? It's been known for a very long time that we'd be working with the French to build these carriers... have I missed something?

 

B.L.

No, it's just the press have finally caught up with it.

Always the way, we read an article we know a little about and say "hang on thats all a load of b**llocks", then turn the page and totally forget and read the next article as if it were gospel.

 
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Council34c       6/3/2007 6:47:16 AM
To be completely honest it is a good thing the French are involved as their politicians at least have more cojones than those in the UK, so in fact the UK politicians have removed for themselves the option (probably prefered) of canceling the project if the French go ahead as they wouldnt be able to take the embarassment (one would hope) of designing expensively for nearly a decade an aircraft carrier then having the French build one whilst we don't!
 
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