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Subject: UK's vassal status re-affirmed?
mithradates    4/8/2007 12:56:16 PM
In this latest prisoner incident, the actual power of the U.K has clearly been demonstrated. Though the entire affair was instigated by the U.K army, it is now obvious to all that the U.K is entirely dependent upon the U.S for it's security. Without U.S military backup, the U.K cannot even attempt to deal on a basis of equality with Iran let alone superiority. Iran was able to extract written confessions and apologies from the 15 tresspassers of their guilt and then was gracious enough to pardon these criminals. While the U.K put these soldiers on TV and had them whine about mistreatment, and how much they wanted to preserve their own lives. Is there now any doubt that the U.K is but a vassal of the U.S?
 
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displacedjim       6/8/2007 12:42:33 PM

Since most counties (in Europe and elsewhere) have at one time or the other used the U.S.'s airlift and/or sealift the U.S. must have a lot of vassel's. Then maybe most counties decided that since it was there if needed why spend money on our own. Leaves you more money to spend on tanks, airplanes etc. vs. spending spending money on something you would seldom (maybe never) need.



Well spotted.
 
Q: Is America taking advantage of others, or are others taking advantage of America?  A: Yes.
 
That's the way the game is played.
 
 
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gf0012-aust       6/8/2007 8:20:05 PM

 
NATO nations in Afghanistan
 


its rather academic, but there other countries taking bullets in afghanistan outside of NATO.
 
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historynut    American Weapons   6/8/2007 9:39:59 PM
When you talk about buying American weapons it should be remember that a large part of the components inside often are designed and/or made outside the U.S. Yes the airplane etc. may have been designed in the U.S. but part of designing is to pick the best stuff to put inside. Does anyone remember where the cannon on the M1 tank came from.
 
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french stratege       6/9/2007 12:38:45 PM
Very few US components are made outside USA.When USA buy a design under licence , they ask to have a USA CONUS production source.They do it as a reward in a two way exchange or when the equipement was better than US one.In all case , they ask for source code of software.
They are always able to reverse engineer it or get a US company to made a substitute quickly in the very few case it is made abroad (case of TWT of Patriot Pac 3 made in France for example).
 
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Panther    Gf - Our allies deserve recognition as well   6/9/2007 6:34:39 PM



 


NATO nations in Afghanistan


 





its rather academic, but there other countries taking bullets in afghanistan outside of NATO.


Yes, you are quite right. I believe outside of nato, quite a few would be surprised to know what other nations are involved in helping too bring stability to Afghanistan. Such as:  1.) Australia - Having the largest non-nato number of troops, in which i believe, it should now number around roughly 1,000.  2.) New Zealand -  Has or had around 170, of which 50 belonged to the SAS. I have no idea if they are still in the country. 3.) Egypt along with Jordan- Have provided  contingents that are deployed too provide medical aide for civilians. 4.) South Korea - I believe they have their own province that they patrol.
 
I'm sure there are probably more, but i can't really count on the MSM too keep me informed. In such cases when a question like this pops up, i/we  have to be our own investigative journalists in order too dig up information that would otherwise be ignored for decades too come!
 
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iSoldier       6/10/2007 10:16:43 AM



 

NATO nations in Afghanistan



its rather academic, but there other countries taking bullets in afghanistan outside of NATO.

Yes, you are quite right. I believe outside of nato, quite a few would be surprised to know what other nations are involved in helping too bring stability to Afghanistan. Such as:  1.) Australia - Having the largest non-nato number of troops, in which i believe, it should now number around roughly 1,000.  2.) New Zealand -  Has or had around 170, of which 50 belonged to the SAS. I have no idea if they are still in the country. 3.) Egypt along with Jordan- Have provided  contingents that are deployed too provide medical aide for civilians. 4.) South Korea - I believe they have their own province that they patrol.

I'm sure there are probably more, but i can't really count on the MSM too keep me informed. In such cases when a question like this pops up, i/we  have to be our own investigative journalists in order too dig up information that would otherwise be ignored for decades too come!

Thank G*d for the non-state controlled thing we call the Internet! May it forever be so...


Take a guess at who is building Zaranj-Dilaram Highway? The Kandahar-Herat Highway?

While the exact numbers remain classified, its apprently big enough to warrant a Brigadier from the military side of the things.
 
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Ispose    British Carriers   6/11/2007 10:58:14 AM
Maybe we Americans Should Lease the UK one of our retired Full Size Carriers...not a piddly little Toy Carrier like the Charles DeGaulle. We've got lots of recently retired F-14's they can use, F-18's as well. Then they can have a full size Carrier Air Wing.
 
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flamingknives       6/11/2007 2:02:21 PM
Great. If the US lent/sold the UK a Carrier, then we'd have what? A vast, floating maintenance hog that we couldn't afford to crew, much less use. On it we would have a large number of obsolescent aircraft nearing the end of their fatigue lives and having last-generation logistics need, with no support and no access to the design code so we wouldn't be able to tool up to make the parts ourselves.

It would look pretty off Portsmouth, but then so do those Victorian forts in the Solent. It would be about as useful to us.
 
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Ispose       6/11/2007 3:35:48 PM
Great. If the US lent/sold the UK a Carrier, then we'd have what? A vast, floating maintenance hog that we couldn't afford to crew, much less use. On it we would have a large number of obsolescent aircraft nearing the end of their fatigue lives and having last-generation logistics need, with no support and no access to the design code so we wouldn't be able to tool up to make the parts ourselves.

It would look pretty off Portsmouth, but then so do those Victorian forts in the Solent. It would be about as useful to us.
 
It would do 2 things for you:
1) Maintain your Fleet proficiency in Carrier Operations...by the time you get your new Carrriers how long will it have been since the RN operated a Carrier?
2) It would piss of the French knowing the RN has the leg up on Carrier capability.
 
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flamingknives       6/11/2007 4:05:01 PM
The crew complement (including air) for a modern CVN is nearly six thousand. This is just under twice the crew of all three Invincible class carriers or roughly the same as the three Invincible class and all eight type 42 destroyers. The Royal Navy simply could not provide one full crew, much less the required reserves. 

The cost of operating such a large, old ship is significant. This is one reason that the US is retiring them. The reactors need to be refuelled, which is something that the UK could not do, so that's lots of expense and if the US feels like it.

About 35 years between the decommissioning of the HMS Ark Royal (R09) and the commissioning of the first CVF, assuming that the latter is still on for the 2012 ISD.

As a single, old, carrier it would spend a significant proportion of its time in refit, leaving the RN with no power projection whatsoever. The French would be pissing themselves laughing.

The obsolescent F14s and F18s would be all but useless, with ITAR restrictions and their sheer age. They would be much more of a millstone than the F111s have been to Australia in terms of costly upgrades and weapons integration.

It would be a floating aircraft museum in the Solent.
 
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