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Subject: Bunch of Pussies!!
NotUkOnly    4/7/2007 4:25:44 PM
Hey Im British and Im ashamed to admit that!! After this Iranian situation and the way the Rn & Marines admitted they were in Iranian waters even though we know they werent and the way the just gave in makes me feel that we have now have a bunch of Pussies in our Amed Forces The French would be proud!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Drazhar       4/10/2007 10:43:16 AM
Sorry to offend anyone but I can't let this go. A Frenchman saying Britain has lost it's crediability as a military force? Now that's a classic.
 
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Claymore       4/10/2007 12:29:10 PM
The 15 sailors should pay for the equipment they handed over to the Iranians for gift bags in return
 
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reefdiver       4/10/2007 12:44:28 PM
FS has spoken for how he feels a French boarding team might have reacted.  So I have a hypothetical question - how would a boarding party of American marines and navy personnel have handled the exact same situation?
 
1) Would they have surrendered?
 
2) If captured, would they have so quickly allowed themselves to be used for propoganda?   Keep in mind that this is not a situation where a pilot goes down and its desireable to get on television to let others know you're alive and in enemy hands.
 
3) What else might the US have done differently as the scenerio unfolded?
 
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Claymore       4/10/2007 12:47:48 PM
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=25077_Video-_Interview_with_Former_Hostage_Turney#comments

Here is the interview.

So when you have guns pointed at you the best thing to do is Surrender? Well You Britons better expect a lot more guns pointed at you until you decide to fight back.

 
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Claymore       4/10/2007 12:50:54 PM

FS has spoken for how he feels a French boarding team might have reacted.  So I have a hypothetical question - how would a boarding party of American marines and navy personnel have handled the exact same situation?

 

1) Would they have surrendered?

 

2) If captured, would they have so quickly allowed themselves to be used for propoganda?   Keep in mind that this is not a situation where a pilot goes down and its desireable to get on television to let others know you're alive and in enemy hands.

 

3) What else might the US have done differently as the scenerio unfolded?


Read "Guests of the Ayatollah " about the 1979 hostage crisis. All of them were separated and one state department official who spoke farsi remembers getting approached by his captors asking what "cocksucker" and "raghead" meant. This let the state department official know that the US Marines were still there berating the Iranians.
 
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Yimmy       4/10/2007 2:18:39 PM

 Keep in mind that this is not a situation where a pilot goes down and its desireable to get on television to let others know you're alive and in enemy hands.


How is it different?

If the Iranians had denied having the sailors, and they had not been paraded on television, why would the world believe the Iranians held them?  Just on the RN's say-so?


 
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french stratege       4/10/2007 2:30:56 PM
How is it different?
It is different because they can not pretend they were dead like it can be when a pilot eject, then shooted by ennemy and then ennemy pretend he was buried because killed or MIA.
They were caught alive by Iranian so they did not have any risk to be shoot as prisonners without a trial.
Even nazis or Japanese did not do that with western prisonners.
Any people with a brain would have understood that, but the issue is that most of them were pussies and cowards willing to be free ASAP even at expense of military honor..
 
 
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FJV    This tread is nonsense   4/10/2007 3:30:42 PM
I'm not all that sure wheter any of you "manly men" would have fared any better while in Iranian custody.

And then there are gems like this:
"They were caught alive by Iranian so they did not have any risk to be shoot as prisonners without a trial.
Even nazis or Japanese did not do that with western prisonners."

Source: "http://worldwar2database.com/html/alliedpowpac.htm"

"Executions were commonplace, in both the Japanese Imperial Navy and the Army. During the Battle of Midway, several American pilots shot down over the First Air Fleet were captured, interrogated, and beheaded on deck after they had talked. This harsh treatment was known during the war. A famous photograph smuggled out of occupied New Guinea in 1945 showed an Australian flyer being executed by samurai sword. This enraged both the Australian and the American public, confirming the rumors of abuse that had circulated for years."

I guess technically it's not shooting, but the end result is pretty similar.


 
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tjkhan    french stratege    4/10/2007 3:47:01 PM
Mate you are talking absolute nonsense.
 
Historically you are just wrong. Look at the history of the Japanese in WWII and you will see countless occassions where the Japanese shot PWs and civilians. If you would like me to list specific examples I can but two that immediately are:
 
20 January 1942: The Parit Sulong Massacre
 
14 February 1942: The Massacre at Banka Island
 
15 February 1942: The Alexandra Hospital Massacre
 
We'll leave to one side the atrocities at such places as The Burma Railway and Sandarkan.
 
All up, when you have some appreciation of history, maybe your views will have some weight. Until then.....
 
Trev
 
 
 
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theBird       4/10/2007 3:51:38 PM

THIS IS EVEN WORSE! WHERE IS THE GOOD OLD JOLLY ENGLAND WE USED TO KNOW?
 

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Private Johnson Beharry's courage in rescuing an ambushed foot patrol then, in a second act, saving his vehicle's crew despite his own terrible injuries earned him a Victoria Cross.


For the BBC, however, his story is "too positive" about the conflict.


The corporation has cancelled the commission for a 90-minute drama about Britain's youngest surviving Victoria Cross hero because it feared it would alienate members of the audience opposed to the war in Iraq.





 

This is going too far and getting ridiculous! A soldier who has done his job and saved his fellow soldiers' live, so he's the hero, and it should be all about his brave and courage, not about the war. These people who feel that is "too positive" are either racists or plain against military personnel.




Too bad you guys there don't have something like the US History Channel, or do you?  Some good episodes of Shootout! there about Americans gunning down terrorists in Iraq and Afganistan there and saying to hell with "alienating members of the audience".
 
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