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Subject: Britian is humilated again, and looks terribly WEAK !!!!!!!
HYPOCENTER    3/28/2007 6:48:06 PM
First, let me state that I'm an American citizen who has tremendous respect for Britain. You are a friend and an ally. The fact that your countrymen have been kidnapped, and are essentially being held hostage by the terrorist nation of Iran, angers me to no end. I can't express this enough. That said, I believe the response from your nation has been very weak. The response should have been a stern one from the get go. An ultimatum should have been given. "Return our men by x amount of time or else ____ " The only diplomacy here should have been through the barrels of your battleships as you systematically destroy Iran's navy until your men are returned. If that isn't enough, then move on to their air force. Then their military. etc. As the old saying goes... "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." Well Britain, you have just been fooled twice and it appears this will play out exactly like the last time Iran took you as hostage. You'll be humiliated and appear even weaker than before. My question is this: what is the perception of this in Britain? Is there a call for diplomacy, is there ANY pressure to tear the hell out of Iran on principle alone? What's the general mood? Why is your response so damned WEAK? Is there any realization what-so-ever that this sort of thing will keep happening unless STERN action is taken?
 
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BadNews       3/28/2007 6:52:49 PM
Don't underestimate our friends from the UK, it is still early in the process, remember, these are THE SAME GUYS that held us hostage for a year. And do not underestimate assistance that they may receive from us, we owe them big!
 
You do not always have to drop bombs to bring a nation to it's knees, and I suspect that Iran will be with few friends in the weeks to come. Even China and Russia are not going to back them on this one

First, let me state that I'm an American citizen who has tremendous respect for Britain. You are a friend and an ally. The fact that your countrymen have been kidnapped, and are essentially being held hostage by the terrorist nation of Iran, angers me to no end. I can't express this enough.

That said, I believe the response from your nation has been very weak. The response should have been a stern one from the get go. An ultimatum should have been given. "Return our men by x amount of time or else ____ " The only diplomacy here should have been through the barrels of your battleships as you systematically destroy Iran's navy until your men are returned. If that isn't enough, then move on to their air force. Then their military. etc.

As the old saying goes... "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." Well Britain, you have just been fooled twice and it appears this will play out exactly like the last time Iran took you as hostage. You'll be humiliated and appear even weaker than before.

My question is this: what is the perception of this in Britain? Is there a call for diplomacy, is there ANY pressure to tear the hell out of Iran on principle alone? What's the general mood? Why is your response so damned WEAK? Is there any realization what-so-ever that this sort of thing will keep happening unless STERN action is taken?


 
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perfectgeneral    Rising above Iran   3/28/2007 7:01:18 PM
Nothing has been ruled out by ensuring that world opinion is on our side. Biding our time and following diplomatic channels RAISES our standing in the world (we already have a bit of a reputation as warmongers). Iran were kind of counting on us being provoked into something rash. Not the first time they have made that mistake. Our armed forces and the button are still at our disposal. We are keeping our powder dry and setting an example of diplomatic finesse.
 
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sofa       3/28/2007 8:06:55 PM
Our prayers are with the sailors, marines, and their families.
And may we all find a way to end the reign of this generation of Barbary Pirates and global jihadis.
 
 
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Bluewings12       3/28/2007 9:07:51 PM
""Our armed forces and the button are still at our disposal. We are keeping our powder dry and setting an example of diplomatic finesse.""

Well said .
Iran shouldn 't underestimate the UK , and I don 't believe they do . UK can go to War for 15 sailors , no doubt about it .

Cheers .
 
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sofa       3/28/2007 10:16:53 PM

[...] and setting an example of diplomatic finesse.

 
Neville Chamberlaine would agree.
Jimmy Carter would agree.
 
Sometimes finesse is weakness, in good clothes.
 
What would Maggie say?
 
 
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sofa    some options   3/28/2007 10:42:34 PM
Options:
 
"The Chamberlaine": Sign a treaty, fail to prepare.
 
"The Carter": Do nothing. Swing on the rope. Defund military.
 
"The Clinton":  Send ordnance uselessly into hinterland to show resolve, and to "send a message".
 
"The Pilgrims": Infest them with plague, befriend them, set them against one another, more virus, conquer their lands killing 60%-80% of the entire indian population of new england and selling thousands into slavery, remove their leaders, impailing their heads on stakes for public display for 2 years, convert the remainder to christianity, build suburbia, wear LL Bean clothing.
[Recommended read: The Mayflower]
 
"The Mohammed": Genocide is favored in by Mohammed the Koran.

Koran 17:16-17     Allah will commit genocide
When we decide to destroy a population, we send a definite order to them who have the good things in life and yet transgress; so that Allah's word is proved true against them: then we destroy them utterly. How many generations have we destroyed after Noah? And enough is thy Lord to note and see the Sins of his servants.


Koran 8:37     The "All-Merciful Allah" isinstructs Islamics to heap up a mountain (of corpses) of non believers
In order that Allah may separate the impure from the pure, Put All the impure ones (Non-Muslim -- atheists, Jews), one on top of the another in a Heap and cast them into Hell. They will be the ones to have lost.


Koran 21:11     Allah is boasts about His as genocide
How many were the populations we utterly destroyed because of their inequities, setting up in their place other peoples.

"Bush the Elder": Quick speech enumerating position and showing resolve. Form largest coalition forces in 50 years. Reverse land grab, but leave problem in place to create more problems.
 
"The Reagan":  Unambiguously and publicly define your enemy as an evil empire. Surround their country with multi-tiered military might. Choke off their economy.
Wait-GWB is already doing that to Iran!
 
"The Thatcher": Quick speech enumerating position and showing resolve. Ships started sailing in two day. TWO DAYS.
 
 
"The Blair": ???
 
 
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swhitebull    What Will it Take?    3/28/2007 10:45:22 PM
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appleciderus       3/28/2007 11:52:52 PM
To date I am disappointed in "The Blair", if for no other reason then I thought "incumbency" would not effect GB's response.
 
Perhaps I'm quick to react.
 
Diplomacy, utilizing reserve and nuance, will effect the hostage release, again.
 
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Rasputin       3/29/2007 5:28:21 AM
I do remembering France responding strongly or over aggresively against an African nation recently, destroying their airforce when they seized or fired at their citizens. Interresting to see what the French would have done in this situation (Remember in such a scenario France would be on the offensive instead of defending well France)

Maybe the UK can respond or will respond like in the Falklands to destroy the Iraninan, airforce and all their naval assets, particularly that of the revolutionary guards.





 
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Rasputin       3/29/2007 6:05:50 AM
I do remembering France responding strongly or over aggresively against an African nation recently, destroying their airforce when they seized or fired at their citizens. Interresting to see what the French would have done in this situation (Remember in such a scenario France would be on the offensive instead of defending well France)

Maybe the UK can respond or will respond like in the Falklands to destroy the Iraninan, airforce and all their naval assets, particularly that of the revolutionary guards.





 
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