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Subject: Changes to the English language 2007
Herc the Merc    3/15/2007 5:58:11 PM
Do u hav ideas to simplifi but xpand the English language for communication in an ever growing complex world??
 
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Herc the Merc    Some ideas   3/15/2007 5:59:36 PM
u = you
u r = you are
rite = right
wiki = quik = quick
Grammatical
 
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Herc the Merc    Some ideas   3/15/2007 5:59:38 PM
u = you
u r = you are
rite = right
wiki = quik = quick
Grammatical constructs
 
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FJV       3/15/2007 6:28:40 PM
There used to be a time when inadequate use of language was fixed by better education and better teaching. Nowadays it seems that inadequate use of language is fixed by dumbing down language. I see this also happening with math and science.

Is this because that the leftists have given up on the idea of lifting the common man up to a better standard/level by better education? One of the few ideas I actually like.



 
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brizzydude       3/15/2007 8:27:31 PM
"The deterioration of the English language is a disgrace".  This claim is made by every generation when looking at the next and their use of 'proper' English.  Languages are dynamic, fluid beasts and evolve over time.  Everything else is evolving more quickly in the 21st century so why not language ??
 
BTW i think it's cool that some English accents are the most difficult to understand.  Irony  ?
 
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PlatypusMaximus       3/15/2007 10:31:12 PM
So you're saying that there will always be some n00b trying to pwn our language?
d00d, that suxorz.
 
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brizzydude       3/15/2007 10:49:44 PM
Yes, except i can't understand what you are saying
My point is that language fads come and go but some of the new stuff will always stick and it only takes a couple of generations to fully replace older words.  Stuff like 'homey' and 'pop a cap' sound ridiculous but you see how many time these terms come up in conversations between non-homey's who've never popped a cap in their life.
I'm also facinated by realy old terms that just will not die!  Carry-overs from another age that survive to this day.  One theory suggests that, once the true derivation of a word is lost, it is more likely to survive in it's original form because no-one is around who knows enough abou tit to re-interpret it.  Same goes for the oral histories of cultures without a written language - because it is not written and intrepretted by people 100 years in the future who have different biases, the stories tend to remain in their most pure form. 
Nerd out.
 
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PlatypusMaximus       3/16/2007 10:28:57 PM
Rachel Barnhart (Rochester, N.Y.) – It’s called Black English Vernacular – or more commonly – Ebonics.

In a newsletter to staff, Rochester City School District officials say it is OK for students and teachers to speak Ebonics in class.

The newsletter, Diversity Dialogue, suggests teachers use BEV to communicate with students. It says teachers can:

• “Switch into BEV in specific situations or informal discussion.”

• "Translate common phrases in Standard English into BEV.”

• “Read and retell stories in both BEV and Standard English.”

“We need to embrace the diversity they bring into our schools,” said the district’s Chief of Diversity and Leadership, Michele Hancock.

Hancock and Tyra Webb-Johnson, Director of Coaching and Leadership, wrote the newsletter. They are both former elementary school principals.

“We want (teachers) to have a better understanding of what BEV is so they can incorporate it into their teaching. That way, they're not alienating the students who are speaking the vernacular and degrading them,” Webb-Johnson said.

Ebonics was debated nationally in 1996 when the Oakland, California school district proposed using it in the curriculum.

Ebonics is defined as a speech pattern used by some African-Americans that does not follow standard grammar.

“No matter how you speak, you do need to learn the standard form so you can embrace the larger audience of people,” Hancock said. “But you can hold on to the richness of your family environment and not feel that is beneath any standard of living.”

Hancock says many people, including her own son, who graduated from college, know how to "code switch" between Standard English and Ebonics. She said students must learn to be proficient in Standard English.

“Many African-Americans are bi-dialectic in their speech patterns. I think it's critical teachers understand those speech patterns so they can effectively, visually show children how they are speaking, but not to denigrate it, but to celebrate it,” Hancock said.

13WHAM News showed the newsletter to several black leaders in the community.

“Anybody who suggests that these kids will lose their identity because they cannot be, should not be encouraged to speak Ebonics is wrong,” said school board member Van White, who is pushing to create an African-American studies department in the district. “We are not African-Americans because of how we speak, but who we are as a people.”

“I understand there's a need for teachers and students to meet on some common plane, but I'm not sure expressing that as Ebonics as that plane is a way to go,” said City Councilman Adam McFadden.

“It's acceptable in hip hop culture, but I don't think anyone would suggest the way forward for students already coming to school with severe educational deficiencies is to maintain a deficient language pattern,” said former Mayor William Johnson.

Johnson and then-Police Chief Bob Duffy fired a white police officer for writing a memo called “Ghetto Lingo,” which claimed to translate English phrases into African-American vernacular.

Hancock and Webb-Johnson say many white teachers come to them for help communicating with students. The BEV suggestion is not a mandate, they said.

“It doesn't hurt the kids. What we're saying to the children is we value what you bring. You have value,” said Hancock.

"What if one of your teachers started speaking Ebonics to you tomorrow? I would think they were crazy!" said Jada Scott, an 8th grader.

 "I just think that's outrageous. Ebonics, that's something that kids speak out in the street with their friends, it's not something to be encouraged in the classroom,” said Maxine Humphrey, a high school senior.

“I think it's not a good idea,” said senior Candice Scott. “If we learn to speak Ebonics and we get into the real world, I don't think it's going to be of any help to us."

"I don't think it's a very good idea. I think it's more important for the kids to reach up to the school standards, instead of the school coming down to the kid’s level,” said parent Melynda Scott.

 
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Yimmy       3/16/2007 10:47:48 PM
Well.... I haven't heard many good things about the American education system.... but it looks like things arn't getting better!


 
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brit cadet       2/24/2009 12:35:57 PM

"The deterioration of the English language is a disgrace".  This claim is made by every generation when looking at the next and their use of 'proper' English.  Languages are dynamic, fluid beasts and evolve over time.  Everything else is evolving more quickly in the 21st century so why not language ??

 

BTW i think it's cool that some English accents are the most difficult to understand.  Irony  ?



its because we speak the language so well you cant even comprehend the brilliance of our english speaking
 
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